atheism is ONLY non-belief in god and religion ... THAT'S ALL IT IS (religiorant)

atheism + atheism == atheism

atheism + communism == communism

atheism + butterfly == butterfly

atheism + christianity == christianity

atheism + socialism == socialism

atheism + a good person == a good person

atheism + a fucktard == a fucktard

atheism + brutal dictatorship == brutal dictatorship

atheism + science == science

atheism + a single water molecule == a single water molecule

do we see a trend?



0 + 0 == 0

0 + 1 == 1

0 + 2 == 2

0 + n = n

do we see a trend?



atheism is the number "zero", it is the non-belief in something supernatural being responsible for this plain of existence, anything beyond atheism, even one little concept, shifts the view of the atheism, to something else beyond being "just" an atheist ...

non-belief expends *no* energy - it requires no participation at all, unless of course, the atheist is outspoken enough to attempt to counter the overpowering droning noise of people claiming to believe in god

technically speaking, there are no real atheists because no atheist can possibly get any concept of life from atheism ... apart from the statement that atheists don't believe in god, there is nothing else to atheism, because atheism is an empty shell.


how many times does this need to be said?

ps. and therefore, atheists get their morals from the environment they grow up in, you know, like everybody else does, christians and muslims included...

non-believers have superior morals... (religiorant)

that's right,

non-believers have superior morals

so in spite of certain arse hole christians who go around insisting and insinuating that non-believers have no morals at all, the reality is just the opposite.

non-believers are NOT limited to sourcing their morals from ONE source like christians do.

For instance, a christian who claims to have superior morals, can't possibly have superior morals, as they only have ONE source for their moral guidance.

And besides, any christian saying that they have superior morals, instantly nullifies that statement, seeing how they have just committed the sin of PRIDE by BRAGGING that they are better than everyone else. What happened to the meek shall inherit the earth? Bragging is polar opposite of being meek, is it not?

So here's me, on the other hand as a non-believer, I am free to pick and choose from a very wide set of belief systems for my moral guidance, instead of picking and choosing from the one set of morals like the christian does... Furthermore, I get to *REJECT* all the NEGATIVE bullshit that these "moral" sources seem to often advocate. That is to say that if I don't like something about one of my moral sources, I don't have to tip toe around the issue to try and make it fit into my doctrine, instead I expand upon my doctrine, and find a morally acceptable position by expanding my morals.

eg. How can christians hate gays when Jesus taught to love everyone? If that's what chrsitianity is, then you can keep your belligerence and hateful bits of your religion to yourself.

As a personal example of a non-believers' source for morals, my moral influences include:

Jesus
Yoda
Gandhi
George Carlin
Carl Sagan
Nietzsche
Robin Williams
Buddha
The Dalai Lama
Shakespeare
Bilbo Baggins
Gandalf
my family
etc etc etc

And many others, in fact, I would go so far as to say, that everything and every experience in my entire life has gone towards the fabric of my morals, unlike christians who limit their moral guidance to one book from before the Dark Ages...

So excuse me, Mr and Mrs and Ms Smart-Arse christian, how can my morals be less than yours, let alone be non-existent, when my moral guidance *includes* the teachings of your messiah, as well as many other sources?

christians *limit* their morals to the teachings of christianity, I do not....

well, actually, that's bullshit, because I am yet to know of any christian that is actually following the teachings of Jesus as taught in the bible.

furthermore, of the things that i choose to use as a source of my morals, i am free to ignore the bullshit that goes along with it, just like christians completely ignore the two commandments Jesus gave and focus on the eye for an eye bullshit of the old testament... are you christian, or are you jewish?

for example, there is a handful of good things in christianity, from Jesus, I learnt... "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", "judge not lest thee be judged your self", "let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"... and anything else from christianity that doesn't fit those few things, I ignore.

My morals are not weighed down by religious bullshit, they are not weighed down trying to find answers, if I don't have a simple answer in my philosophy to some moral question, I don't go and try and find that answer in what I already know, I don't try to solve this moral dilemma with what I already know, I grow, I expand my horizon and look for the answer beyond what I currently know.

mostly written 3rd April 2010 ... mostly ...

non-believers give god the most respect... (religiorant)

before I start, I am not saying that you should not believe in god, what I am saying is quite the opposite, so believe in god if you want, but that belief is personal, ie. you should keep your god to yourself, and you should not give this god random qualities... mostly written 2nd April, 2010, mostly ....

so... to start.... I've been thinking about this topic on and off for a couple of years, and the concept that it was based on was this:

"mere belief in god, is *blasphemy* to god"



that's right ... so even if there is a god, your belief in it, is blasphemy, or rather, that public act of declaring your belief is blasphemy.


don't understand?


by saying you have this god, and that this god has such and such a thing attached to it, like say, a religion, then do you not insult that god with the petty attributes you have given to it?

it's GOD, for god's sake, think bigger!


SHORT BLOG

let me demonstrate what i mean.

Often I've heard god has done some fantastic thing, like making the universe and everything in it.... and this god is infinitely powerful, infinitely knowledgeable, infinitely everywhere at once, infinitely perfect... blah blah blah ..

so *you* are *aware* that this god of yours is all powerful, so why do you not honour this god with the things of infinite grandeur you say about it and leave it at that??

god made everything? do you not insult your god?

"everything" is a term we mortal humans use to describe everything of which we are aware, anything and everything you can associate with a god is petty and irrelevant as anything you can think up about god, is FINITE ...

god made the universe? what?!?!? just *one* universe? that's it?

your god made a universe a dozens of billion light years across? I ask you, what else has your infinite deity done?

can't you think bigger than *ONE* *TINY* universe?

if your god made a trillion to the power of a trillion universes, I would still say to you, WHAT?!?! that's *IT*?!?!?


what did Shakespeare say??

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
--"Hamlet" by Shakespeare

No matter what you can think up, I am at least 90% sure I can think up something bigger, better and brighter than your god can do, so it's still an insult to god, but at least my insult would be less of an insult than what you came up with.

god is an unknown, nobody knows what god is nor do they know what god wants.. so "i don't know what god is" is the most logical and respectful thing to say about god, is it not?

by saying that you don't know what god is, you are giving it the *ultimate* respect, by not giving god petty attributes, you are indeed a more honourable and profound and respectful (non) believer than anyone who gives god finite qualities.

so a non-believer is a win, because they don't give god trivial qualities, thereby they do NOT insult an infinite being with finite parameters, and a non-believer also has a second win, in that they have not wasted their time should god not exist in the first place.

WIN WIN

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by not taking the word of what somebody else thinks their god is about (eg religion), you refrain from insulting such a creature with guesses that belittle your god...

god hates FAGS!

If you think you know what god wants you to do, or indeed, if you believe what your religion says about your god, then were these things that your religion told you, or were they things that you came around to because of your religion, or is it just that these views just happened to be your views anyway?

GOD HATES BROCCOLI AND SPINACH!!

by aligning god with what *you* want from god, you are bringing god down to your level.. you dishonour your god by bringing it down to earth... by giving god things that you like, you are trying to make god into a tangible thing....

oh god likes picnics ...

oh and god likes blue skies and sunsets...

you insult your god by thinking that *you* know what god wants, do you not see?

god likes spaghetti!

And it does not matter if it is a good thing that you wish for god to have either, god likes "christmas" - bullshit .. if god liked christmas, god would have made it up itself zillions of years ago.

god likes SATAN and god hates SANTA ... oh wait? did I get those the right way around?

frankly, any one spouting off their mouths about what god wants or likes, GOD LIKES MUSIC, makes me take a few steps back from them, GOD HATES SOLAR FLARES! just in case there is a bolt of lightning that strikes them down and fries their internal organs that might just jump across at me in some sort of collateral damage, because I was standing too close to your blasphemous arse.

GOD HATES MULLETS!

....

I can't speak for other non-believers, but when somebody pushes the point to what I would say if there was a god of some sort or not, I would say, "yes, there could be a god", I won't deny it, but then I would say that nobody knows what god actually is, *therefore*, god is irrelevant in this plain of existence and any attempt to qualify god, is a man made qualification.

there are thousands of religions - the "biggest" doesn't mean that's the right one - otherwise Catholicism is "the" religion, or Sunni Islame, take your choice as they are neck and neck at the moment, but religions are still petty attributes given to god, regardless of the size of that religion.

the "oldest" doesn't make it the right religion either, if that were so, the Aussie Aboriginals story of The Dreamtime, should be "the" creation story ... seeing how the Aboriginals have had the longest continuous civilisation of modern man dating from 40,000+ years ago, thus making the christian creation story, and every other creation story, a lie, because these petty attributes given to god, are what *you* want your god to have, you've ignored the oldest known creation story as being incorrect. But more likely you've never heard of the Dreamtime, as you just assumed that your "truth", was the only "truth" to be found.


....


By saying that "I don't know what god is", do I not admit the sheer enormous gravity of what god is?

do I not honour the vastness of god by not even trying to bring this god into my realm by even acknowledging it at all?

do I not assign god to the realms of the unknown and beyond anything my puny brain can even dream up, by saying "I don't know"??

in other words, by admitting that you do not know what god is, you are saying that god is so great, and so baffling a concept, and so super extraordinary, that our feeble minds can not possibly comprehend it, that it's a complete and utter waste of time to speculate on the parameters of such a creature.. let alone attempt to guess what it wants..

so regardless of actually believing in god or not, if you do not give god petty attributes in the first place, you give it more respect than someone who thinks that god likes music or hates gays or whatever you can think up, because these things you give to your god, are things that *you* have thought up.

If you associate things with your god that you like or hate, then that is *proof* that your god does not exist, because these things you give to it, are things that you want attached to the god that is under your control. eg. the god you created in your brain.

How do you know god hates fags? loves christmas, easter bunnies, santa blah blah blah ...

You *know* what your god wants, because that god is you, that is how you give it qualities and how you can be perfectly fine with those qualities.

Is there anything you don't like about your god, or are all the things that you don't like about god, given to Satan?!?!

Is that what your ego tells you to do?

Newsflash, this god *is* just your ego, if your god hates fags, that is because *your* ego hates fags, ie. YOU hate fags. Worse still, is that you can not even take responsibility for your own prejudices. Worse still again, you don't give yourself credit when you should, you just pretend that is something else, some external part of your universe.

But it's not, it's *all* you. god satan heaven hell ... all in your brain .. because even if they did exist, you would not know anything about it.

Giving god attributes you want, is blasphemy to the *real* god, should it actually exist.

*YOU* are giving attributes to the god creature that is in your brain, the instant you give some finite quality to god, you bring god plummeting down from the realms of the unknown, you bring god up from the depths of the infinite, *you* make god into a finite entity by giving it qualities that you want.

god loves and/or hates such and such? you belittle god with your assumptions.

by admitting that "yes there could be a god", you are open to the possibility of god existing, but then by saying that "you don't know what god is", you are giving it the greatest of all respect.




Non-belief is not blasphemy, BELIEF is blasphemy.



And even if non-belief *is* blasphemy to the "real" god, giving god the *wrong* attributes, via your assumptions, is that not worse?


Let me bring this concept down to a mortal level.

Imagine there are two persons, who haven't met you, but are somehow aware of your existence. Maybe they read your profile on myspaz?

the first person, makes an erroneous assumption about you, and speaks on your behalf.

the second person, refrains from making any assumptions about you, until they know you better, so therefore, they won't speak on your behalf, because they don't know what you would actually say.

of these two people, who do you think you will get along with better?

WHO would you at least respect more?




now apply this concept to god....

the first person is a religious person, who makes assumptions about god, and says things that they "know" about god, thus erroneously speaking on its behalf...

the second is a non-believer, leaving things as an unknown until facts are made available, and since there are no facts about god, does not attempt to make up shit about god, or rather, doesn't make up shit about god and *expect* other people to believe the same thing.

of these two people, who do you think god will let into heaven?

WHO would be more likely to NOT be fatally struck down?

exactly who is going to piss god off the most?

the first person making incorrect assumptions about god and/or speaking on god's behalf; or

the second person, who politely refrains from making any assumptions at all?

WHO shows more respect to god?



god is a personal thing, attaching your petty man made attributes to it, e.g. religion, is an insult to god. #atheism #christian

global warming is happening - GET OVER IT (science V artards)

still i am seeing people who are denying that global warming is happening - there are even politicians in the USA that are trying to legislate that it's a bunch of bullshit! WTF?!?! Even Australian politicians have been this retarded as well.

global warming is happening - GET OVER IT - the last decade has been the hottest... the decade before that was the hottest at the time, and the decade before that was the hottest at the time too...

it's happening - anyone denying it now is a victim of misleading propaganda or has their head shoved so far up their arse that they can't see reality.

here is the most complete set of data from my local area that i could find from our weather bureau, the Cape Moreton Lighthouse...

as you can see, this particular weather station is out on near the Pacific Ocean so the temperatures will be less variable than an inland weather station. This is because the ocean retains heat better than dry land, meaning temperatures from this station will be influenced by the ocean temperature to a greater extent. ie. places on the coast have cooler summers and milder winters, especially on eastern coastlines.

Inland cities like Canberra are mostly really cold in winter and mostly hot in summer and Brisbane on the coast gets barely a week of cold days in a row, and pretty much every second hot summer day ends in a storm. (well, there has not been a lot of storm activity as of 2014)

This means that the variations in the average maximum temperature for each month, and from season to season will be less noticeable because the ocean is nearby. The ocean also mitigates the effects of random years being hotter or colder, like if one year is hotter than normal, and if the temp goes back to normal the next year, the ocean won't have had a chance to have been heated by the atmosphere.

In order for the ocean temp to be heated up by the sun and the atmosphere, it has to be consistently hotter for more than a year or two. This is also why the seasons are slightly delayed in their arrivals, eg. summer starts in December down under, but the sun is highest in the sky (thus more heat reaches the Earth's surface, as there is less atmosphere to travel through) during November December and January, and yet the temp keeps going up until at least February is over.. The delay in heating (or cooling in winter) is caused by the oceans, in that it takes a while to get them heated, and once they are heated, they tend to stay that way, until at least about March, then it starts to get colder when the sun is no longer directly overhead, so there is less radiation reaching the surface to be heating the oceans as effectively.

Water retaining heat is also why you can get burnt with steam, water vapour retains heat and energy, so it dissipates relatively slowly in the air as it only has the thin air to "bleed off" the heat to, but on the other hand, as soon as steam touches your skin, it suddenly has something more solid than the air to absorb the heat in the steam, that rapid transfer of heat into your skin is what causes "steam burns"..


but anyway, back to the weather data, i've selected the "median or less" to be highlighted in the images below as the median favours "normal" temps and tends to exclude temps that might skew the average (aka, the mean)... but it doesn't really matter, all the data tends to show what I'm saying, have a look at the other settings - the 95 percentile or more shows the hottest five percent of months - mostly grouped into the last decade... same thing for the average as well


http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/weatherData/av?p_nccObsCode=36&p_display_type=dataFile&p_startYear=&p_stn_num=040043

from 1913-1990 you can clearly see that most of the months that had temps below the median were loosely clumped together during those years...














but what do we see during the last twenty years?

we see an obvious cluster of hotter months, above the median temperature.


the temperature is going up people, this is a fact ...


find any continuous set of weather data for nearly a hundred years and I'm thinking you'll find similar trends.

Have a look at Sydney, the exact same trend is there too...

so two out of the two sets of data for coastal cities I picked, indicate that the temp is going up, feel free to look up more data.... ask if you don't understand what it all means.

IT'S HAPPENING AND IT WON'T GO AWAY

the temperature is going up ... this is happening right now, the trend isn't towards a status quo, things aren't going to remain the same as they are now and it's not going to go away.

If it's our fault, then it's unlikely we can change our ways significantly for at least a few decades.

China have already announced they will look to cut their emissions by 2050 ... that's FORTY years from now ..

that's how dependant countries are on industries that create emissions, that's how dependant we are on things staying the way they are right now..

For example, if China suddenly stopped producing exports, the world would suddenly have to pay lots more, for a *lot* of stuff, and we would probably see a significant percentage of the world population fall below the poverty line because of it, yes, even more people will be in poverty. Which would mean our Western way of life would begin to resemble poorer countries with slums around major cities, for starters.

So regardless of global warming being somebody's fault, there is nothing we can do to stop it, or rather, there is nothing that we *could* do that would not result a drastic shift in how our world of convenience works...

we could stop all the industry, we could stop driving cars, smoking cigarettes, burning coal for electricity, we *can* stop doing all those things.

it's just that we won't, because our society depends on these things and/or too many of us like our creature comforts, and our vices, and our freedoms to escape away in our cars or jet about the planet, and many of us love our motors sports burning up fuel just for the fun of it.

we could stop cutting down trees and stop using quadruple ply lush scented toilet paper to wipe our bums.

we could do all of these things, but we won't.. and why is that?

because we like the good things in life, we deserve to have the good things, do we not?

That's how we were raised, we were raised to think that everyone single person on earth could potentially rule the world, and failing that, become a rock star, a test pilot, an astronaut, etc etc .. we all aspire to far greater heights than we are likely to ever achieve.

We've all been raised, on television to believe that one day we'd be millionaires and movie gods and rock stars. But we won't. We're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.
--[Tyler Durden]

and we deserve the good life, why not? hence, it's obvious why we won't do anything about global warming, we are *selfish*.

but it doesn't matter, a couple degrees increase might not seem like much, but it's a cascade effect.

Already we are seeing things that we never thought about before with the climate changing

Just recently, for example, in the Arctic ocean north of Siberia, the sea is warming up, and guess what? There just happens to be a whole swag of *methane* locked under that previously frozen bit of sea bed, which is now bubbling to the surface.

And if you are wondering, methane is like twenty times more effective as a green house gas than carbon dioxide is, and if all that methane gets released into the atmosphere... well then I hope you don't live too close to the ocean.


The Daily Galaxy - Billions of Tons of Methane Beneath Frozen Arctic Destablizing, Scientists Warn

so what do we do about global warming?

global warming isn't the problem, if global warming is happening, it doesn't matter if we are responsible, it's too late for assigning blame for that now anyway.

it's our attitude of passing the buck to the next guy that's the problem..... the biggest deal with global warming at the moment, is that too many people think it's a hoax. So it's summarily dismissed by the close-minded.. That's the easiest thing to do... that's what the intellectually challenged do all the time about heaps of shit.

Fox news didn't tell them what to think, or rather, they told them to think the wrong thing.

How can we do anything about it when everyone isn't on board with the facts? They dwell over the one report that comes out that had misleading information, and suddenly the whole thing is a hoax?

Come on people, use your head.


THE TEMPERATURE IS GOING UP - GET USED TO IT

the temp is going up - we can't stop it, even if we tried, we're just not smart enough to suddenly be able to provide clean power to all of our industries.

But what we can do, with our limited abilities, is stop the polluting of our planet, and if that just happens to fix global warming at the same time, then so be it

you can

* plant trees and other flora to eat all the carbon dioxide
* use public transport
* conserve electricity, if every person on earth with electricity had one less light operating ... well, i'm sure it would be a good start
* move to high ground
* stop watching commercial television, it shortens your attention span, and inspires you to buy crap you don't need.
* get your news from multiple sources, if you read some fantastic story, check out if some other source says the same
* speak up, get on twitter and retransmit stories you like
* stop misinformation being spread
* ask questions


governments can

* tax the hell out of "wasteful" or "flamboyant" or "excessive" life styles, car racing, gambling, fuel guzzlers, if people have money to waste, they can send it towards useful endeavours.

* encourage purchasing of efficient and practical modes of transport, none of these big engine cars, noisy chopper bikes, no more gold mags on cars and none of this silly spending on cars that have shock absorbers that can make the car bounce like it's on a trampoline

* encourage big business to donate to scientific endeavours, instead of buying off politicians with campaign donations so they'll support legislation in their favour, big business could be using the money to actually *do* something useful and impress society by giving back to all us little people who buy their shit


the point here is that, our selfish ways are going to have to stop, we *need* business and industry to keep going, so we, the regular people need to give up at least some of our creature comforts, because we don't *need* to watch cars go around a track, we don't need to turn on every light in the house, we don't need to buy that Ferrari, we don't need to spend tens of thousands of dollars on weddings, we don't need to buy 2000Watt speaker systems for our single bed-room hi-rise apartment, especially seeing that just having the volume at a minimum level means the whole building can hear it.



people often complain that the rich are getting richer as the poor are getting poorer, but that's the basic concept of *capitalism*, that is the basic model of our western society, and yet people get upset about socialist policies which are designed to remedy that chasm between rich and poor?

what's that about?

we are selfish, and the utterly stupid bit about it, is that most of us don't even reap the rewards of that selfishness, as it's the rich minority that benefit from our covetous society.

TEN commandments are redundant... (religiofact)

The TEN commandments of the OLD Testament are out of date, that is to say that

they are redundant, and they are no longer needed.

you got that?

TEN commandments == OLD School == Judaism

TWO commandments == New School == Christianity

the central message of christianity, is the TWO commandments that Jesus gave...

you got that??? TWO COMMANDMENTS - NOT TEN COMMANDMENTS OR FOUR OR FIVE OR SEVEN - BUT

TWO COMMANDMENTS

*everything* *christian* hangs upon these two commandments:

1. Love god before all other gods
2. Love thy neighbour as thyself

and that is it, that is all you need to actually know from the bible to be *christian*.

Jesus said it himself, these two things are to held above all others.

So if there is an apparent conflict with something else taught in the bible, then these two commandments are to take precedence in the christian faith.

NO EXCEPTIONS *EVER*

The only complication you could/should apply to these TWO commandments, is to take that second commandment, and make it into a generic one.

By doing that, you can make it replace the TEN commandments. This notion is, in fact, stated in the *bible*.

eg. Don't kill him if you don't want him to kill you. Don't steal from this dude if you don't want this dude to steal from you, don't tell lies if you don't want to be lied to, don't lust after my woman if you don't want me to lust after yours etc etc etc

If you don't hold these two commandments above all else - you are not christian, it's as simple as that, and you need to get off your high horse quick smart and pent and repent and rerepent and rererepent, *quick*smart*, because if there *is* a god, then *YOU* are the biggest sinners and blasphemers out of the lot of us as you've taken what little good there is in the bible, and you have ignored it completely and utterly.

but of course, if you know otherwise, feel free to bash my non-believer head in with the same bible I got this shit from, but it says quite clearly in two of the gospels, and it also says it, not so clearly, in the other two gospels, and it is even indicated as such by Paul and in several other places, that this is the way of things in christianity and that nothing else out ranks these things.

The long blog explains about how the christians have got their christianity wrong.... in Biblical detail


LONG BLOG

i'm not sure i've mentioned this yet but, or rather, i am not sure who i said this to, but recently i was told, after mentioning the TWO commandments of Jesus, that I was making shit up about Jesus.

now now - don't laugh at me and say "YOU DO THAT *ALLL* THE TIME!!!" .. this is true, but not this time

I was told that these two commandments I had "made up" were in fact, "Jedi tricks", which means that they were, in fact, NOT teachings of Jesus....

hmmmm. .. So Jesus' two commandments, are Jedi mind tricks? hmmm... you flatter the Jedi, Sir!

so after pointing out that the bible does indeed refer to these teachings as the "two commandments" (King James Version) - I was then told that I was the *only* person who had ever referred to them as such.

Admittedly, I didn't remember that these TWO commandments were called 'commandments' until about a month ago either... but then again, I did not care, as I stopped being a christian a very long time ago, if ever I was one that is, so my memory was flaky over that point, but someone calling themselves christian, should at least know that much.

I mean they are the two BIGGEST points of christianity, right?

Seems to me that the TEN commandments have been entrenched in the minds of too many people, and they've not got around to actually being taught about what Jesus actually said, it would seem to me, that people are just *saying* that they are christian and get *really* upset when some heathen scum like me, knows their story better than they do.

I for one always think of that big arse movie when I hear about the TEN commandments, with what's his face, National Rifle Association dude, what's his name.. that dude... Heston.. that's right.. Planet of the Apes... it's a mad house, I tells yah!

but why do i say such a thing? It would seem that the vast majority of people claiming to be christians have it *wrong*, that's why.

I hear christians saying the TEN commandments this ra ra ra ra the TEN commandments that ra ra ra ra ... I wonder if it's because TEN sounds more significant than TWO?

So, it's a fact, that there are some christians in this world who are sooo fucking dumb that they don't know the FIRST OR THE SECOND THING ABOUT CHRISTIANITY, LITERALLY....

So.... just how many Christians hold the ten commandments above the TWO?

There's one, so it's likely there will be more of them, probably thousands, possibly millions.

At this moment in history, I suspect that there could be as many as 30 million versions of christianity.

I believe a very lengthy survey of christians would be required to detect how extensive the damage is... but....

It's quite joyous.

Glorious even!

is it not?

Matthew 22:36-40 (36) Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law? (37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. (38) This is the first and great commandment. (39) And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

So here we have it, Matthew and Mark say it outright in the King James Version, that these are commandments, and that they outrank, supersede, replace, supplant, exceed and make redundant the TEN commandments.

Take special note of the closing phrases - there is no other commandment greater than these - so when Jesus said he came to fulfil the law, he says that on these two commandments, hang *all* the law.

To me this says that the TEN commandments, while still valid, are outranked or outdated by the TWO because the TEN commandments are all applicable to either one of the TWO commandments Jesus gave anyway, especially when you view the second commandment in a generic light. eg.

Old: you should not kill.
New: You should not kill if you do not want to be killed.

Mark 12:29-31 (29) And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: (30) And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this [is] the first commandment. (31) And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

So clearly, in Matthew and in Mark, TWO of the FOUR gospels, it says that the TWO commandments are above and beyond the instructions that the TEN commandments gave.

And the second of the TWO commandments can be applied generically, so therefore can apply to many situations, so it seems pretty clear that the TEN commandments are redundant, as the TWO can address situations that the TEN do not..

One could say that the TEN commandments have FULFILLED their purpose, as the generic nature of the second commandment applies to lots of things,

"don't insult me if you don't want me to insult you"
"mind your own business about my sexual orientation, and I'll mind my business about your sexual orientation"

of course... the whole thing is categorically a fail... as clearly, people don't "get" it .. and these people are probably in the minority, but they are so arrogant, that more than likely they are the ones shouting the loudest that they are "faithful" to the christian, ahem, cause? This is called an affirmation, say it enough, and it must lay down neural path ways or something like that so that way of thinking becomes natural. Like if you walk over the same bit of grass often enough, you end up making a path, and to deviate from that path is quite difficult because it's easier to stick to the path....

It's amazing, i am stunned, i am flabbergasted.... people just don't get the whole "do unto others, as you would prefer they do unto you" .. How can that be?

I am mortified and ecstatic at the same time, actually. mortified that these people exist, but ecstatic because this is exactly what I want to see. That being that people are so blinded by their faith that they literally don't know the first thing about it ...

what non-believer would not enjoy that?

and if TWO gospels aren't enough to convince the dumbarse christian out there that they have their religion utterly wrong, here's some more supporting "evidence" from the bible....

Luke 10:27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

The Gospel of Luke said something similar to the "do unto others" thing.

and here from the Gospel of John ...

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

John 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

so whatever you're fave Gospel was ... viola!! they all said the same thing.

and James taught....

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

even St Paul wrote something similar .... he even explains that the TWO commandants out rank the TEN by rattling off a few of the TEN, and then taking it one step further by saying, "if there be any other commandment", you can apply the "love thy neighbour" thing to it ..

Romans 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Did you read that? Both Jesus and Paul said this - no christian or born again paulian has any excuse for not following this ... and if that isn't good enough, here's Saint I-made-my-self-an-apostle Paul again, rather succinctly this time.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

and just how many books did this John dude get to do anyway?

1 John 2:7-11 (7) Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning. (8) Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. (9) He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now. (10) He that loveth his brother abideth in the light, and there is none occasion of stumbling in him. (11) But he that hateth his brother is in darkness, and walketh in darkness, and knoweth not whither he goeth, because that darkness hath blinded his eyes.

1 John 3:23-24 (23) And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. (24) And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

1 John 4:20-21 (20) If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? (21) And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

2 John 1:5-6 (5) And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another. (6) And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

Revelations 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

So all in all ... they are COMMANDMENTS .. and please go check other versions of this godly word of yours, as I have done

of the SIXTEEN DIFFERENT bibles I bothered to check, nine use the word commandment, the tenth used "command" but still in the same context as to mean "commandment", and one of them had a lot of the words replaced with the appropriate Hebrew words, and five others were in other languages completely so i had no idea what they said and meant.

but what does this also mean? It seems very clear to me, that the following statement should be exactly what every christians should get out of christianity::

Jesus said that "love god before all others" and "love thy neighbour as thyself" and *replace* the TEN commandments and any *other* directive / commandment / suggestion / implication / order / recommendation / whatever with that notion of loving your neighbour ...

if *any* thing in the bible comes into conflict with "love thy god before all others" and "love thy neighbour as you love thyself" - if *anything* comes into conflict with these TWO COMMANDMENTS, then the TWO COMMANDMENTS take *precedence*, they out rank every thing else, they make everything else superfluous..

So if you read the bible and somehow you get hatred or prejudice against certain types of people out of it, then shut the fuck up about it because you didn't read your bible properly even half as well as you have claimed...

"Love thy neighbour, as thyself"

if you can't do that, then stop pretending to us with your christscam, as we're onto you, look for us, we'll be there... we could be standing beside you right now, quietly laughing to ourselves at how STUPID you are.

mostly written 19/02/2010 .... mostly ....

i'm really trying to keep these blogs short

have a look at how FANTASTIC god is! (religiomath)

the earth does not spin around its own axis,

it does not orbit around the sun..

the earth doesn't wobble on its axis every 27 thousand years or whatever the Mayans reckon - what do they know?!? They're dead!

the earth, is in fact fixed to the spot, not moving at all, so therefore the universe spins around us and the earth is held in place by its magnetic field, because if it didn't the earth would fall into the deeeeep chasm of space, and possibly land in some big vat of liquid nitrogen, or hydrogen or some some super conducting fluid thing

have a look outside, watch the sun and moon move in the sky, there's your proof, the earth doesn't move - every thing *else* moves!

and what's more believable?

the earth spins on its axis and orbits the sun, the so called "Heliocentric" model that "scientists" claim to be the truth, or)

the plain simple truth that the universe spins around the earth?


i think it's obvious, don't you?

let's do some math and have a look at how FANTASTIC god is shall we??

if we take the nearest galaxy similar to our own, the Andromeda galaxy at 2.5million light years away, it would have to go on a journey each day around the earth of about....

let's see 2*PI*2.5million is roughly 16million light years every day. (did u know you can put "2*PI*2.5million" into google and it frikking works it out for you!)

Let's see a single light year is 9,460,730,472,580km,

now times that by 16million and you get about 151,371,687,561,280,000,000km travelled in 24 hours...

so divide by 24hrs and that's 6,307,153,648,386,666,666km/hr, ( 666 *snickers* )

divide that again by 3600 seconds in the hour and u get about 1,751,987,124,551,851km/sec

now light travels at a measly 300,000km/sec so the Andromeda galaxy travels at about 5,839,957,081 (five thousand million or 5 billion for the USA-ites) times the speed of light to make its journey around planet earth!!

god is SOOOOOO awesome!! god can do *anything*!! (someone want to check my math? )

I mean some ppl have the audacity to think that god isn't doing anything now that he's made the universe and that he has been slacking off ever since, what a bunch of crap!

he's out there spinning the frikking universe around planet earth at speeds that could only be achieved by god!

which is why I don't believe in god or pray to it or even spell god with a capital "G" - because *I* don't want to be responsible for distracting god with some petty request, the universe could go flying off on a tangent having slipped out of god's grip and then astronomers would have nothing to do once the light show of billions of galaxies screaming by was over... maybe we'd go flying through other universes...


"oh look Helen.. was that a universe that just flew by outside the window?"

not to mention some galaxy might crash into us - the universe might be mostly empty, but there's an awful lot of it, something is very likely to hit us...


/sarcasm-off

fucking dumbarse stupid fucking creationists ..

the ant farm... the story of Dogurt and Livedon

Dogurt and Livedon were friends, they liked to play together and they played and played and played....

Dogurt had plenty of toys, but he was rather flippant with them, and he got bored very easily.

At one stage Dogurt had an ant farm, and he and Livedon would play making up stories about the ants as they made their way around the tiny little enclosure ...

but again Dogurt got bored, and he found the ant farm scene wasn't so 'hip' any more, but rather than toss them aside like he did with other toys and let them go wild so there'd be ants every where, he gave them to Liv.

Livvy didn't keep the ants all locked up, she let them go in her back yard. Where they *did* run wild, and she would make up her own stories about all the ants roaming around in her backyard as they built themselves an Ant Empire.

After a couple of years, as time went by, the ants had flourished making an ant hill and all those ant type things, they were in Heavant.

But then old Dogurt, Doggy to Liv, found out why that old friend of his, Livedon, was not spending as much time with him any more, it was because she was spending all her time with the ants that he gave her and was having fun making up stories and such like they used to do together.

so Doggy, in an outburst of rage, decided to get back at Livvy for not giving him attention, and in a temper tantrum, kicked down the ant hill, killed all the ants, saying that they were his to do with as he pleased anyway as *he* gave those ants to Livedon, and seeing that she had no ants to make up stories about any more, he thought that she would have to spend time with him again now..

but Livedon, didn't like Dogurt as much any more, especially seeing how he killed all the ants he had given to Livvy as a gift, they spoke every now and then, but it was a case of simply being polite in passing for the sake of not causing a fuss.

But back at the ant hill, it turns out they weren't all dead after all, and after a few more years of being tended to by Livvy, they were able to rebuild into a bigger and better Antopia.... Livvy was happy to see that some had survived, and vowed to protect them with more vigilance and with a harsher defence next time around...

but then, of course, Doggy found out again, and Dogurt tried to knock down the ant hill again, but this time, as promised, Livedon rose up and kicked Dogurt's arse ... so much so ... that Dogurt, sent somebody else to represent him from that point onwards... this new guy was Dogurt's son, and he was called Susej, and he seemed to be an OK sort of guy....

Why the Peaceful Majority is Irrelevant by Paul E. Marek

great article as to why the religious majority are irrelevant to the whole argument that it's only the extremist minority that are making their religion into a problem for everyone, and no i'm not going to be posting other people's opinions, this just happens to be what I have said previously, about a five hundred blogs ago.. oh and thanks to bob for posting this in the comments of his blogs ...

"Why the Peaceful Majority is Irrelevant" by Paul E. Marek http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2006/02/why-peaceful-majority-is-irrelevant.html I used to know a man whose family were German aristocracy prior to World War Two. They owned a number of large industries and estates. I asked him how many German people were true Nazis, and the answer he gave has stuck with me and guided my attitude toward fanaticism ever since. “Very few people were true Nazis” he said, “but, many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the Allies destroyed my factories.” We are told again and again by “experts” and “talking heads” that Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this unquantified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the specter of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam. The fact is, that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars world wide. It is the fanatics who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honor kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque. It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. The hard quantifiable fact is, that the “peaceful majority” is the “silent majority” and it is cowed and extraneous. Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant. China’s huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people. The Average Japanese individual prior to World War 2 was not a war mongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of Killing that included the systematic killing of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet. And, who can forget Rwanda, which collapsed into butchery. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were “peace loving”. History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points. Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by the fanatics. Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up, because like my friend from Germany, they will awake one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun. Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Bosnians, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many others, have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late. As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

we gave god purpose... (religiorant)

god is all knowing... supposedly.... so god had the knowledge to do the creation thing at any time whatsoever, but this god sat around just shy of forever doing nothing, for trillions of years (and the rest) - god must have been pretty bored before it made the universe, ya think?

the religious also have often told me that,

"god gives us purpose"

I say bullshit to that because it is the other way around: *we* gave god purpose

supposedly god made the universe for us, *just* for us, supposedly.

Now if that is true, what did god do before we were around?

Creating the universe gave god something to do. *We* gave *god* purpose ..

we are its bacteria forming in a Petri dish, a rather large Petri dish at that...

the eternal nothing .... (weird science)

there's something strange i've been thinking about for quite a while actually, and it's pretty bizarre and this blog is very sporadic because of the weirdness of it all, but roll with the bizarreness as that's the point of this blog and besides, i'm tired of trying to write coherent blogs... 9th Jan 2010

throughout my life i've sometimes said and have heard other people say the phrase ...

"nothing can last forever"

it seems innocuous enough, but there are two ways to read that phrase (at least). Did you interpret it as,

"no individual thing can last forever"

or as

"the lack of everything can last forever"

??

that is to say that "the lack of everything" ie. the perfect vacuum with no matter or energy or any forces of any kind (no mass to even create a gravitational field and no gravity from some other universe has made its way there yet), is capable of extending for infinity, after all, there's literally nothing there, so how can there be an end to it? and just how would you tell if you got to the end of nothing anyway?

we'll just forget that your presence in "the nothing" would actually make it stop being a literal perfect vacuum as the electromagnetic energy you and your space ship emit would be travelling through "the nothing" making it slightly more than nothing... like even between galaxies in the vacuum of space, if you can see stars/galaxies from your vantage point, then there are at least photons of light travelling through that space, so it's not a literal nothing.

so before you read on and make your brain melt even more, the point is that the literal nothing, can last forever, as there is nothing to create, expand, use up, stretch, shrink, whatever... eg. you can hold an infinite amount of nothing in your hand, it has no mass, so why not, but I'd have to take your word for it though see how i wouldn't be able to see "the nothing"!

if you were beyond the edge of our universe you would see nothing whatsoever, provided that you haven't stumbled straight into another universe that is. If you stopped one light minute outside the edge of our universe and turned around and looked back at where you came from, after a minute the light from our universe would catch up to you and you'd see the flashpoint of the big bang, if it was indeed big enough to be seen from that distance.

but of course there could be some stupid part of special relativity or some quantum flux capacitor mechanics that i don't understand (like all of it) that blows this line of thought out of the water but ..,.

.. to me it would seem that our universe is expanding but it's not creating that perfect vacuum of space where no energy or matter of any kind exists, right? it's moving into that space thus making it part of our *visible* universe by polluting it with energy from this universe and eventually matter and gravity from galaxies and the like will move into the region that was once devoid of everything... and yes it's impossible to move beyond our universe without going faster than light, yes yes yes .., the lack of everything has no limits so it can go forever

actually, technically if you could be outside our universe you would essentially have created your own pocket mini universe, either that or you've dragged a bit of our universe with you for the journey. however the semantics grab you best...

oh wait, no.... there wasn't a point!! ... pffft!

ps. this is based on the assumption that if you took a clock outside of our physical universe, that clock would still tick over, as it's unclear to me what would happen with time if there was no gravity whatsoever around.

extreme believer arrogance - god did it ... (religiorant)

i read this somewhere the other day, to paraphrase it went something like: if humans are the pinnacle of all developed life as designed by the creator, then why is my eyesight not as good as an owls? why do lions have greater strength than me? why do i not get to live as long as those trees that have been around for hundreds of years? why do i not get as much sex as a bunny? why can I not re-grow a leg like those salamander things can when they lose a limb?

well? why is god giving these greater abilities to these lowly mere animals? humans are supposedly the ultimate in life forms created by the creator dude!!!

hmmm... seems to me that we are *not* the pinnacle of all life forms on this planet, after all? someone must have been spinning some bullshit....

on the other hand, if we twuly were the ultimate cweation from god, then a clever god, would have made sure his creations wouldn't have things like cancers and congenital disorders and mental problems, or better still, a clever god would have given us a biology that would see diseases and disorders actively eradicated or fixed by healthy cells. Imagine a whole army of white blood cells that could kill cancer cells before they even got going?

Seriously - the creator had all that time to come up with us, this "brilliant" creation?

god had billions of years of free time to come up with something... but we were the best that god could manage?

hmmmmmmmmmm?

but the extreme arrogance of the believer, doesn't allow them to question beyond "god did it", so they don't *need* to know any more about silly things like "why?" -- they don't stop to think "well, why didn't god do such and such?" -- it *is* god after all, couldn't make things just a little bit better than they are? didn't leave any instructions lying around about how we are supposed to feed all these mouths now that we've gone forth and been plenty fruitful and many times multiplied??

nothing about belief makes sense, and arrogance in believing the belief that *you* have the answers to everything in the universe, sustains the life of the belief!! arrogance allows people to keep these nonsensical beliefs going in some sort of critical mass of idiocy, it's a recursive thought process.

But for my mind, no theory I've heard about god makes sense either, nor has any story been so brilliant as to only be possibly attributed to a god.

When I hear or see something conclusive about god that makes me go, "oh, hey!!! you fuckers *were* right after all!!!! there *is* a god, well, *now* I won't mind if you call me a GOD HATER, because now that you have evidence for me, I *can* actually be a god hater and stop speculating and actually look forward to calling the guy a bastard to his face"

If I actually was a god hater right now, it would be that i hate the god that i created in my mind, not the god in somebody else's mind. Many people make their god out to love them, the "God" I 'knew' was made by my brain to be hated. It was an outlet for anger, which probably would explain why my "God" is dead. I killed him, because it was necessary to break orbit of planet Guilt Trip, that extra mass had to be put out the air lock in order to reach escape velocity...

So *anything* about god is completely made up, seriously, show me, I *really* want to see something that in spite of what I thought I knew, that here's this tid bit of empirical evidence to prove that god exists... I *Want* you to show me that your god exists, because then I would truly have someone other than myself to blame for the shit in my life, and then I wouldn't have to be responsible for my actions. it was god making me do it all along. (via satan of course, *rolls*eyes*)

so giving god *any* qualities outside your personal experience, outside of your *feelings*, is a lie because you are making shit up, which when youu think about it, is also idolatry if you "follow" a religion, "Revelations" says don't add to this book, remember? Not many people are going to heaven.

telling yourself you are going to heaven even though you keep breaking a commandment is fine by me, I don't care, in fact, it's hilarious! you should do stand up comedy at atheist conventions, you'll be a hoot and a holler, or maybe you can be on some game show? ...

... and tonight on "do you really think *you* are getting into heaven?" we have a christian who says that "GOD HATES FAGS!"... boy is he in for a big surprise! now.... let's give a big hand to the host of the show, JEESSSSUS CHRIST!!!

Helllllo heavarrrrrrhhhnnnnnn!!! how iz every bunny tonight?!?! Y'all looking so LOVERLY I just wanna cuddle you all up!!! I'm FARBULOUSLY THOOOOOPER, phanks for asking!!! how are yooooooouuuuuu?!?!?! oh you lovelies are soooo darling thoooper sweeeet!!!

your beliefs are not a fact. Who says an over the top gay Jesus doesn't host a game show in heaven where he belittles homophobic morons on their way to a special section of hell for the thooper intolerant??

You can say that you "feel god do this" and that you "feel god do that" ra ra ra until the cows come home, and that's OK with me too because you are keeping it personal as your feelings are your own. *Feelings* are good things to have... but most people don't want you to share your feelings with them ... when you're in love with someone, you don't keep going on about them so much so that people tell you to either shut the fuck up or provide them with a bucket to vomit into if you are going to continue with this lovey dovey upchuck talk of yours, do you?

how is god *any* different? how can feelings be fact? your feelings are fact to you, to everyone else they are not. How can you show me that you feel god to be real, you can not. The whole *conversation* shouldn't even exist.

so if you think god/feelings are a "fact" - then let me remind you what a fact is ... a fact is something that is verifiable as being true to the *best* of our ability. It doesn't matter if that fact changes later on, that's what science and reasoning is about. If god is a "fact", then this "fact" can be demonstrated and seeing how there is no other source for all this god information other than cryptically confusing story books full of parables and conflicting information, then, yes.. god can only appear in the mind of the believer.

If you want to show me your god, get a hole cut in your head so we can see your brain, and then show me. Then we can get chop sticks and prod it to see if god is really in there?

There is no god in my brain, so the god in your brain, while it may seem real to you, is not real to me. maybe one day when we can do mind-melds where we'll be able to share our feelings of belief but, that day is not today and I suspect, the non-believers would do the mind meld for entertainment purposes only, just to have the thrill of experiencing pointless fears or being able to also get that feeling of euphoria from being so fucking high and mighty, or to see just how stupid the things that these believers think really are!! i mean you'd expect that a believer would refrain from saying most of stupid things for the most part, but I think that all the stupid logic they tell themselves to get to these stupid things they *do* say is going to be far more interesting than the things that they finally speak out loud into the universe.

the paranoid mind of a fantastical believer, would be fucking hilarious to observe.

Knowledge is also open to revision and updates when new facts are made available. In this context, "knowledge" and "fact" are interchangeable.

believer: I feel that god created the universe!
non-believer: Cool! I feel that god did not create the universe!

So in actuality, the "score" is even and it will always be so.

but, as we all know, it's not, as this is the impasse we get often stuck at...

I am more than willing to say "cool! I accept your feelings as being true" (aka "I believe that you believe") - but if the arrogant believer wants to keep arguing that their god is a fact... no .. keep your lies to yourself, lying to yourself is fine too (until you start to harm yourself, that is), it's when those lies escape the mouth of the believer and hit the atmosphere of the real world, that's when the problem starts to come to a head.


EXTREME ARROGANCE! WHO, ME?? BUT I'M A MEEK CHRISTIAN!!

think about this one, people, this will show you an EXTREME example of the arrogance of the believer and their gods that they have had handed to them on platters called "religion", and this is ALSO EXACTLY why your understanding of god should be personal, so you don't unknowingly insist that your arrogant beliefs are indeed fact ....

if the gods of religions, are just figments of a person's imagination, and this believer claims that these religious figments of their imagination created the universe, then are they not claiming that *they* created the universe themselves in at least some partial way?

It's their brain, if god exists outside of their minds then they can show me, and "no!" the fucking clouds in the sky are not proof of god. sheesh, no wonder there are people who follow the gods of religions that are so ARROGANT, in their puny minds, they think, that at least on some level, that *they* made the entire universe, or at the very very least, they think that they're best friends with this allegedly superior being that made the universe, OF COURSE, the clouds in the sky are evidence enough of the "fact" that "god did it"...

Excuse me, but I know of no non-believer that is so arrogant that they would (unwittingly) claim that they created the entire universe. It's like the believer thinks that they are their god, reincarnated in the flesh.... only they don't realise it...


SANITY

A sane person will admit that, maybe, just *maybe*, that god made the universe, but a sane person will also insist that you have better reasoning than "because the bible told me" or "god did it"... a sane person does not know a single thing about god. Knowledge is something that is directly observable or is able to be demonstrated in theory, and that theory has to make sense, or if the theory doesn't make sense, then some sort of demonstrably real evidence is needed to support the theory ra rar ar ara rar

Where do we think that saying about "knowing god, is to know insanity?" came from? (i think that's how it goes) - and if god is infinite in it's abilities and knowledge, then don't people realise that one trillion-trillion-trillion-trillionth of infinity, is STILL infinity? So, the arrogance of the believer in thinking that one book covers all they need to know about god, life, the universe and everything, is just mind boggling. Especially when the entire basis of christianity can be reduced to one phrase... eg do unto others etc.. love thy neighbour

Now as a mostly sane person, well, maybe not, but as an example, it was not until a year or so ago that I understood the basis of relativity, because for my mind there was no "proof". But I did *not* dismiss the concept, I thought it was stupid, and still do, like how the fuck does time slow down due to gravity or when you approach the speed of light? How does it know?

but it DOES.. apparently

I may not understand the physics of why, but when I read documented real life situations that proved the concept to be true, I had to step back and say .. "Oh, OK, relativity does exist.. but I still don't get why it exists!" .. and leaving it at that, is fine by me.. I didn't take my arrogance and put a "god did it" label on why relativity works the way it does, I just put it into the "too-hard-to-understand" bucket .. and maybe one day I'll come back to it and understand the "why" at some later stage. maybe experiments with the LHC will be able to show me the "why" it works the way it does in a way that can make me understand. But in the meantime, there's heaps of other sciency stuff for my brain to absorb.

The proof of relativity for me, was that two extremely accurate clocks were synchronised and one was taken up to a great height, while the other was left at ground level .. the clocks drifted ever so slightly apart and were out of sync eventually because with gravity, the further you go above the surface of the earth, the weaker gravity is, therefore the faster time moves.

"HA!! I am SO ARROGANT that everything that *I* don't understand, must be DONE BY GOD!!"
--[Fuckhead]

this would mean that tying shoelaces would be an act of god for someone who didn't know how...

And we all know that there is no actual evidence of god, it's all hearsay (heresy too?), speculations, assumptions, emotional biases, and indoctrinated stories.. if it's not, show me otherwise

and yes, these extreme believer types of people don't actually actively think that they made the universe (at least I hope not) as it's subconscious, and that subconscious feeling of "knowing god" (knowing god, is a *feeling*, not a *fact*, feeling warm and fuzzy is the most accurate term for "knowing" god, and is nothing more than ARROGANCE) would seem to result in a *conscious* feeling of superiority.

eg. "I'm better than you, but I don't really know why, oh! I know why, because I believe in GOD!! See I win, I believe in god and you don't ... nur nur .... " would seem to be a very accurate description of the attitudes of the extremely fundamentalised christians, as well as other extremists and their religions that i've encountered...

So, it's this superiority shining out their arses that is the actual problem... it's a bit like the spoilt brat who inherits their fortune from their parents, they did nothing to earn their inheritance, they just get it because their parents "love" them, but they've no idea how to proceed with the family business or whatever it was that made the family rich. So often they end up squandering what they have inherited or they let other people come along to take over the family business, even though the bratty kid still owns it. Sound familiar?

GOD DID IT!! (so proceed no further!!)

the stout believer, believes in GOD, and is unaware of the little god demon running around in their imaginations, so it doesn't matter that as soon as "GOD DID IT" becomes the answer to something, all reason is thrown out the window, there is no point in continuing the thinking process, if indeed it had started in the first place that is, because this logical thought process conflicts with their sacred scriptures.

Either that or every believer, is such a DUMBARSE, that they don't know shit from shinola ... please don't tell me that's the case, or at least tell me that it's a rare occurrence..

god is completely in the mind, and just because this same "god" is in the mind of, allegedly, billions of people, it doesn't make this religio-god any more real...

i saw one of these fuckheads making the same argument about science the other day! "Oh just because the science world accepts evolution as fact, doesn't make it true" .. which is the same thing as "just because there are billions of christians, that doesn't make it *the* religion"

make up your fucking minds you dumbarses!!! SHEEESH the world is going to hell and these people squabble over their story books, great, have your fucking story book, now fuck off and let us scientists save the fucking world for you

The fucked up thing, is that even though this is logical, logic doesn't apply to the believer and their god, so they are happy to run around with this god thing in their brain that they keep attributing new attributes to it all the time .. "god likes Santa!" what? didn't Coke-Cola we come up with Santa? ... "god hates fags!" .. uhmm no, the word homosexual or "fag" doesn't even appear in at least the KJV bible.. and the implication that the bible does make, is that god hates the act of homosexuality, not the people themselves.

Believers make up shit and that is blasphemy in itself right there, is it not? it says in their *own* precious bible not to add to their great book in Revelations. guess, they didn't get to that bit of the bible, well, Revelations is at the end of the bible so those guys who put the bible together in 324AD should have put the important things at the start of the bible, so I guess we'll be seeing all these "god hates fags" people in hell... maybe hell is only for christians who were unchristian, and the rest of us non-believers work there, tending to and operating the torture devices?

THE SKY IS BLUE .. NO! IT'S RED!

you can say the sky is red a trillion times, but it doesn't make it more red than blue, and even if people start to believe you, it still doesn't change the fact that the sky is actually still blue. If you changed the meaning of the word "red", to actually describe the colour "blue", then that *STILL* doesn't make the sky actually "red" - the wavelength of the light did NOT change just because your little arrogant arse says it does...

those people saying that "god loves you" are saying that *they* love you, at least on some level

those people saying that "god hates fags" are saying that *they* hate homosexuals

those people who say anything "god this" or anything "god that" ... switch the word "god" with the word "I".... then everything makes sense..


ANY EXPLANATION OF GOD IS BLASPHEMY

god has no explanation .. how can it?

giving god any physical attribute is arrogance... making science stories up to lend credence to your god - just means that you deep down know that it's not god that came up with bibles, angels, christmas, santa ... easter buinniyes... hatred... love....

none of it is god, it's all you... and the believer just can't accept that we as humans, are capable of such incredible feats of intelligence and compassion without some fantasy being to help us along ...

"I'd like to thank GOD, because without GOD I'd be nothing" ... more arrogance, when somebody says this, they are speaking to *YOU*, the non-believer, they are saying that if you don't have god, YOU ARE *NOTHING*.

That's what they are saying, they are saying that they are *better* than you. How else can this be interpreted as you are supposed to thank god in PRIVATE!

The simple and apparently innocuous statements, "god loves me", is saying "god loves me, but not you, if you just happen to be a non-believer"

An unchallenged statement about faith doesn't happen much in Australia, at least that's how it used to be.

if you're happy that god loves you and you know it, clap your hands, fuckers...

Keep your religio-god to yourself, because you've no idea how offensive you are being, because the opposite always applies with god, don't you know?... the christian god made everything right? saying "god loves me", is a subset of what god loves, now if god loved everyone, what would be the point of saying "god loves me" ?? well?? People make these affirmations to highlight that they themselves are believers (like a mantra to help you be brave, "I mustn't run away, I mustn't run away!") but seeing how their god supposedly did everything, what they are *not* saying, also applies.

to demonstrate:

"I have god ((and you don't, so I'm better than you)) "

"without god I'm nothing ((you have no god, so *you* *are* nothing))"

"You need to believe in Jesus ((like I believe in Jesus, so you can be just as good and up-yourself as me, but if you jump on the bandwagon later on, I will outrank you *still* because i was a believer before you were))"

i'm sure you can elaborate to yourself some further examples.

addendum...

at the very least having a religion and a god attached to that religion, means that you are deferring aspects of your life to people who came before you, you are *not* deferring to "god"'s knowledge. And in the case of the bible, biblicants are deferring to people who had no idea about much at all as compared to us today. eg. We can cure many things today that the people of Jesus' time would deem a miracle. the Bloody do-gooder he was...

I know for a fact that I know more than Galileo did (at least about how many moons Jupiter has), Galileo thought there were four moons around Jupiter, I've read recently that we've discovered over 60 of them!! Galileo also had some other weird beliefs that I would probably laugh at if we were to converse on those matters. shit man, Newton was an *alchemist*, you know, turning lead into gold, that sort of thing. Needless to say, the whole turning lead into gold thing, didn't work out. (that we know about)

Now these famous scientist guys from the past were pretty damn fucking clever, but the bible refers to people two thousand years ago, not four hundred years ago and seeing how we are much smarter today than the Galileo's and the Newton's of their day, does it not make sense as well that they were much smarter than the people from the time of Jesus?

Point is - just say we are ten times smarter than the Galileo's of his day - and just say Galileo was ten times smarter than the people of Jesus' time.. that makes us a hundred times smarter than the biblical people. (smarter doesn't mean more moral or more wise, it means we "know" more facts, and throughout history, many facts, as they are expected to do so, change, or rather, the quality of the information they present is much more solidified than that fact as it was known previously when new science is made available and what not )

ps. sorry, this blog was a real mess of thoughts... better stop before i go off the track even m0re :0

mostly written 5th Jan 2010, mostly ....

non-believer tolerance of believers? TAKE 1 (religiorant)

this was a previous attempt that went off on a tangent because i kept coming up with ideas as to what was intolerant and seemed a waste to not post it ... 15th December 2009

YOU FAIL AT BEING TOLERANT

on the one hand we've got the vast majority of people that are religious who don't say a word about the whole god and religion debate.. yet they still call themselves "religious", or at least "followers of a religion", or at the very very least at each census, they suddenly remember, "oh yeah, I'm a catholic", or something like that..

however, the majority aren't the source of the problem - so by bitching about religion - non-believers don't refer specifically to the majority - so there is no *need* for non-believers to be tolerant of the majority... we don't even know who they are because they're being meek and not making a scene..

but let me put this out there first:::

christians, muslims, jews - they all claim that theirs is the religion of love and peace and happiness and tolerance and blah blah blah, right??

yeah well, I'm not seeing it...

and non-believers, allegedly, have no "source" for learning tolerance and love and peace, HEY! that's what the christbigots tell me *often* and then they tell me that the christinsanity people *DO* have a source to learn all their morals from that they brag about all the time... right? that's what these idiots do online insistently ....

what was that thing they got their morals from again... a bibble ? something like that

point being is that christians don't have excuses for being ARSEHOLES - they have been told how to act - quite explicitly by the most popular book in the world, that bible of theirs!! the very first book printed - if they don't "get" their religion after 400 or so years (we've had English for 400yrs, so effectively the regular person has had access to the bible for their own perusal for about 400yrs) and can't even be bothered to act even partially as their religion instructs, then they should probably stop pretending to be christian, or they could still be christians, but just with a failing grade.


but the religious majority being tolerant of other people, isn't a problem, and non-believers generally don't lock horns with the religious majority anyway - in fact, not giving a rat's arse about what somebody else does is being tolerant - apathy - what humans are BEST at, can be viewed as tolerance ... you could be very much anti-gay, a 'FAG' hater if you will, but if you just couldn't be bothered to bother "the gays" in the first place then you are actually being tolerant ...

fact of the matter is that I've *not* said a *lot* of things for fear of offending the spineless people out there and having to go through the motions of being nice - aka tolerance - is often a waste of time, especially when the person arguing with me is *supposed* to be tolerant, and especially when, according to *my* "religion" (LOL!) I have no morals at all...


THE LOUDEST PERCENTILE

and what is it that we see from these christbigots, who are easily the loudest percentile of the religion of love, tolerance, respect and various other clichés about feeling warm and fuzzy???


H A T R E D

Hatred of all kinds for people who are different - even SLIGHTLY different - in fact if you are only slightly different then you are likely to be the biggest target for intolerance from your now ex-brethren ... because you've recently left the fold, fundies insist on trying to bully you back to the land of Jesus .... some of these fundies feel it so important that you admit that you believe in Christ, that they will even encourage you to off yourself (ie. suicide) for straying even slightly from believing in Jesus...

that's pretty fucked up right there ..

how is *that* being tolerant? these people want to be the mouth pieces of christianity and yet they will tell non-believers to commit suicide? urrr? what the fuck???

so there we go - if believers that are TAUGHT to be tolerant, but are still not tolerant, then why the fuck should non-believers even *try* to be tolerant, especially when believers can't even be tolerant of their fellow christians?!?!

could it be that because non-believers are not so arrogant about believing in a fantasy, that they tend to think about other people's concerns a lot more than say, those with the selfish need to keep making affir-fucking-mations that they believe in Jayyyyzus? that they have a soul, that the Allah Ack-bar isn't the local pub, that they have a rightful ownership to the holy land. ra ra ra ra ra ra

if you are hateful to anybody at all, you do not get to call yourself a christian, how can you justify that? what are you thinking? are you thinking you're "Christ-like"? well, you are not, you are a disgusting cunt of a liar if you think that you are christ like and even slightly hate one person.. if you make empty threats on behalf of your god, you are *still* being hateful as well.

"Laugh it up non-believer! But if you don't believe in Jesus we'll see who'll be laughing last!!!"

that is a *threat* - an idle spineless threat but a threat still the same - people make threats when they are angry and can't win an argument, the threat is an "ace in the hand" that is pulled out as a sign of desperation and frustration

if you said that shit to my face I would ask you to explain exactly what you mean right then and there.

You make a threat on behalf of that little god creature running around in your brain and it is a threat from *YOU*.

And that is the "truth" - non-believers should see no difference between being threatened by a person for whatever reason, and being threatened by a person on behalf of their god, because the only place this god exists is in their minds, therefore it is them that is making the threat.

And seriously, if there is a god, you insult that god by pretending to speak for it with empty threats. Making threats in the name of god is the same as speaking for god, therefore you make yourself out to be god itself, meaning you have raised yourself above everyone else to the position of god because you have spoken in lieu of god speaking for itself.

What was that first commandment? Exodus 20:3 "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." ... Hateful believers should be hoping that god doesn't exist, because the sheer volume of times a day I've seen them break the first commandment is utterly flabbergasting.

I just couldn't ever be what is commonly termed "christian", I'm far too honest, so I don't pretend to be religious, I can't pretend because it's all based on lies.

And the point here, is that even verbal christian empty gutless abuse and threats of any kind should not be tolerated, as the violence has to start somewhere. verbal threats are merely the first baby step towards more violent behaviour.

this behaviour has been documented very well. a child who pulls the wings of flies, is likely to graduates to hurting birds, then onto hurting puppies, and then cats, and then dogs, and then horses, and then humans.. this is well known behaviour, I've seen it myself where a person starts with a seemingly innocuous or harmless act, but they keep moving on to more and more violent behaviour in ever so small degrees that they can justify their behaviour because it is only slightly worse than the horrible thing they did last time.

and i've seen this from fundy christians on myspaz, when they lose their arguments, they make threats, then they collect IP address, then they look you up on facebook, send their friends to pretend to be your friend to spy on you, whilst every time they keep crossing the line just a little bit more, until eventually they make death threats against you for disagreeing with them over *religion*, how many of them actually go on to make in-person threats? How many christians go on to commit violence in the name of christianity simply because they are butt-hurt over some conversation they have had with some non-believer?

how fucking spineless are some people, anyway?

and don't let me hear you say that's a minority of christians that are *that* hateful that they actually act on their self righteousness - christians have no excuse what so *ever* for saying shit like this *ever*.

but is that what we see?....


well, is that how it is?


nooo it's not, is it?


I've seen christians say the most horrible things and when somebody complains about it, ie, me, all their christian fundie buddies descend to berate the person who had a word at the original christbigot, ie. me!

so *no*, it's not a minority - you have the minority who *say* this bullshit - but then you have a larger number of fellow religidiots defending the original bigot because he's christian and the other guy, ie. me!, isn't... the "mob" tolerates their own, but not the foolish non-believers who have the gall to call them out on their fucked up bullshit.

I've seen people defend Pat Robertson, John Hagee, Westboro Church and all manner of idiots, these people don't outright say the same rubbish as their more famous christians, but they *want* to.

I've seen this many times - the most horrid christians do something horrid - i tell them to fuck themselves for being so horrid - then the moderate "mob" descends to defend the horrid little shit, with the biggest complaint being that I don't use profane language, that some how telling someone to fuck themselves, is *worse* than telling someone to off themselves for not believing in Jayzus.....

yes - i am confushed as well - even more confusing is when someone from the "mob" does some complaining about the horrid christian, then they suddenly find themself shoved away from the "mob" and attacked by their former brethren and sisthren ...

THE RELIGION OF LOVE, TOLERANCE, MUNG BEANS, and BULLSHIT

if yours is a religion of love then show it at all times to all people and especially not just to those who have the same beliefs as you. It takes every type of people to run this world, if you bigots don't want to be part of the world, then shut the fuck up or fuck off back under the rock from which you crawled because because - *NEWSFLASH* - we don't need you stirring up your hateful ways, sowing the seeds of disharmony.

the cruellest christians on myspaz i've seen were picking on other christians (or recently ex-christians) - some of the cruellest things in history were the things done in the name of love for god. I've often heard god called, "love" itself... interesting... would you not say, hmmm?...

one would think that because this god of theirs is one of love, then its followers are free to *not* show love and compassion to others, probably because they are so much of a fucking cunt that they think this god of theirs only loves them....

but of course when you say that millions of people have been killed in the name of god the obligatory dumbfuck christian retort of Stalin Hitler Mao ra ra ra killed millions always appears too.... *sigh*

that's the difference isn't it? the Stalin's and Hitler's and Mao's certainly did not allegedly have the millions they killed in the name of love

are christians saying that because they pretend to love everyone, then they are fucking allowed to kill them as well? if that is not the case then what the fuck is this shit where there is ANY person killed in the name of a loving god? how can they justify even one death in the name of a loving god?

christians just don't fucking get this point - if ONE person is killed in the name of their loving god, then that renders their god as *unloving* and therefore, their whole religion is a farce.

so even though Mao/Stalin or any of those other alleged atheists did kill millions - they did not do it because of some doctrine that fucking said LOVE EVERYONE...

And they certainly weren't killed in the name of atheism that's for sure. Atheism has no doctrine or rule book or holy scripture.

you could kill a million people that you hate because they are your enemy, and you could probably justify that action logically and rationally and have clear conscience because they *were* your enemy.. but could you kill even one person, out of love for someone else for no reason other than love itself??

That's one thing the religious can never wash their hands clean of, regardless of what good or bad non-believers do, non-believers do these things for reasons that are a part of this universe entirely, they are actual tangible reasons, or for reasons that are strictly personal. There will be no "the devil made me do it" or similar supernatural bullshit out of a non-believer as a lame excuse for their actions.

However!!

Believers and their atrocities were done in the name of their gods - in the name of all those clichés like love - friendship - togetherness - family - *tolerance* - the religious killed IN SPITE of there being a commandment to NOT KILL.

so EXCUSE ME, which is worse?

a) Christians, who have no excuse to be intolerant because they have been instructed by their holy scripture to be tolerant that they so often claim to be the highest moral authority, and yet are *still* bigoted;

or

b) non-believers who allegedly don't know any better, because their lack of a holy scripture did NOT instruct them to not be bigots and yet are still bigots?

Christians are supposed to be the best behaved out of all of us, no exceptions!!

if you christians can't behave, then stop pretending to be a christian as a means to JUSTIFY YOUR HATRED of the universe, because if you can't, then you are a LYING to yourself and to your god - and that's gunna go down damn fucking well when you stand before your god on judgement day. I hope Satan broadcasts your encounter with god explaining to you just how fucking wrong you were on a big screen in hell, because, that shit would be funny.


WHERE ARE THE SILENT MAJORITY?

Now there are only a minor percentage of the religious who act like they are actually the vengeful god of the Old Testament - at least I hope it is a minor percentage - because there is this one little thing that makes me not WANT to even tolerate the silent masses of christians ..

let me exemplify what i mean....

Just say a christian tells someone that has just given up their faith, to "off" (aka kill) themselves...

now me - I would come down (as I have, many times) like a bag of bricks on this "christian" and nothing I can say, nothing is going to be *too* profane. There just isn't a swear word strong enough. cunt shit fuck fart piss cock ... nothing

However - christians are taught to be tolerant - any christian telling people to off themselves for not being christians, is inexcusable.

and this has happened, nearly two years ago actually, but did any christians have a go at this "christian" at the time? none to my knowledge. In fact, heaps of christians did see this outburst where a christian told some gay guy to kill them self (it was in a blog) and the only people who spoke out were the godless few, the majority of christians on this occasion decided that they would *support* the god given right for everyone to have "Free Speech" ..

fuck you!

sure!! they are perfectly allowed to say what they want, so what the fuck is their objection to me telling them that they are fucking disgusting cunts that I would not piss on if they were on fire?

why are the non-believers expected to be tolerant of behaviour like this? If you are a cunt, expect to be told as much.

while writing this blog one person did mention that they saw the blog in question and regretted their inaction by apologising to me, which, while appreciated, highlights what i'm talking about.

That being that christians have a FEAR of telling other christians to pull their heads in...

so why should non-believers even worry about being tolerant to the believers?

christians don't even tend to their own flock. they can't even tolerate their own kind, but they still do **find** fault in **others** first before they find fault in their own..

can't be speaking out against Jesus fucking Christ even though they are not even close to following his teachings, no sirree Bob!!

it's like the blinders are on to their fellow flock members.. *why*?!?!? - *clearly* they can find the heart to TOLERATE their own flock, but ONLY when they feel like it, so they don't *do* anything about their own minions, so why don't they tolerate us?

You have to go out of your way to complain. Doing nothing requires, little effort.

so why don't they tolerate us?

ohhhh.... hmmmmm..... ?????

answer?

because we're not christians - so we are not tolerated, because we are not muslims, because we are not jews, balah blah blah. doesn't matter how minor our indiscretions are - we are not tolerated

why is that?

because - the religious are taught that their way is *the* way - it's an *ego*trip* when they encounter non-believers - and nothing hurts the ego more when the reason for being on said ego trip, is questioned. The strongly religious think that are taught to teach others about their religion, and when it gets rejected over and over, they become angry and hateful.

ever been told that "all you just have to do is let Jesus into your heart!!"

"all you just have to do"? that's it? that's all it takes to have your soul eternally saved? seems pretty easy to do... *just* believe...

are christomorons admitting that they in fact became believers in the space of a second or two?

if that's allllll you have to do then then ......... so why is this Jesus thing not taking when I try to let Jesus into my heart?? I believe in Jesus!! there I just said it!! but I feel no different ... The religious seem to think it's pretty easy, *all* you have to do is believe ... wow!! .. oh .. what's that ... I can't *just* believe? but that's what *you* *just* said? ohhhhh .... *all* I have to do is read the bible ... I've read the bible ... it was full of shitty boring stories ... but all you have to do is believe .. all you have to do is read the bible ... all you have to do is believe while you are reading the bible .. over and over and over ...

seems rather idolatrous to just be able to believe ... when I was told about being a christian it was kind of implied that you had to actually do good deeds... the rules don't change... so what is this *just*believe* bullshit about?

that is a bold faced cunt of a lie and christians know this.

one can NOT just believe in Jesus and be saved, how offensive can you lying cunts be?


EXIT STRATEGY

urrr... and in closing ...

non-belief is like the number zero...

like a bucket with no contents...

it's like having a beach, with no sand but then being expected to make a sand castle with it. If the sand castle is made, that sand came from somewhere else, not this beach with no sand upon it.

when i stand upon my beach, it is covered with sand from all over the universe ...

in other words non-believers obtain their morality from many sources, and to say that a non-believer is immoral, is to say that the source of their morals is immoral, and in many cases - that moral source was probably christianity!! - so it's probably not wise to call non-believers immoral, especially when the religion you claim to follow was at least a partial source of their moral guidance.

it would seem that unlike believers, non-believers don't need to keep reading and re-reading the bible, they tend to learn the good stuff from the bible in one go, or by word of mouth, you know, from family and friends. you know, the people you actually trust, the people who should actually be teaching you about morals, and not some book from a time when they still nailed people to crosses for heresy, not from a book that caused science to be rejected for near a thousand years, not from a book that has caused armies to cross continents to kill entire towns of people and certainly not from a book that to this day still inspires bigotry in all walks of life...

any other book causing as much segregation, hatred and bigotry in society as the bible would be banned from sale and all copies of it would be rounded up and burnt...