my encounter with Jesus!!! (religiorant)

i "used" to be a "christian" - well actually I don't remember myself ever actually being christian, it was only later on when I discovered that I was supposed to be a christian that started the eventual losing of my religion.. which wasn't much of a rebellion actually, as there wasn't anyone to argue with ..


see my first problem with christianity, was that there was two flavours of christchimpanzeeanity of which i was aware.. Roman Catholic and Church of England... WTF?! NO!!! they're all supposed to be together, aren't they? .. so the seed of doubt was planted for religion to fail, and it wasn't like I believed in god or Jesus, at least for any significant amount of time.

but what I do remember about the brief time I was a *believer*, and this was most likely a dream, so it's actually possible that my whole "believer" phase was one dream, but when I was about seven or eight or nine or ten, or thereabouts, I first heard about god and or Jesus and that it or he was my deity or saviour or whatever it was exactly how a child thinks when the concept of god is introduced.

this could all have been a dream long after i first heard about god / Jesus , but

The disturbing thing was that being a believer gave me "power" - it was a rush....

i only remember a snippet of the dream, and it's more of a feeling...

and the feeling is what it would be like to have "hostile" people closing in from all around you, so you are under attack, and you are looking down at the ground, but you can't actually see the ground as it is covered in long grass, so it's impossible to run away as you just can't get your feet off the ground high enough to step over the grass to make the required steps in order to run.

So you are stuck where you are, you have to make your stand, right there.

So as you are looking down you see these people closing in on you out of the corners of your eyes through the grass as it drifts back and forth in the gusty breeze.

But these people are 'normal' looking, it's not like they are terrorists or a bikie gang or escaped prisoners or anything sinister, if anything, they are dressed in rather bright baggy t-shirts and big baggy pants, as at least one of them is dressed like that, and this one person you've spotted is a kid, probably a chubby Samoan or Maori teen about thirteen?

But regardless of what they look like, somehow they are still "hostile", so you suddenly stand up and lean right back arching you back right over so your shoulders are facing upwards, and you are leaning back as far as you can without falling, and then a bright white light lightning bolt hits you and/or emanates from you as you lean back with your arms flayed wide like you being crucified by this light.

However, this energy bolt doesn't hurt you - it charges you up! gets you going! it fills you with righteousness, you are clenching your teeth and your fists as tight as you can, as this energy/light whatever it is wrapped around you becomes tangible, such that you can hold it like it's a weapon, and you can feel the power rushing through you as you feel the power of this weapon, and you *know* that you can destroy the world with this power and in that moment..........

you know...

you know what this energy-light thing is that is encompassing you, you know that there is a "presence" in this energy, you realise who this being is, you *know* who this energy is, who it is that is alive as that energy, and that person wants you to use this power, and they want you to use it *now*...

of course u know who it is....

it's Jesus....

come to destroy the world...

utterly ...

and *you* are the conduit, *you* are the lightning rod absorbing the wrath of God, *you* are the literal soldier of christ, you are the literal god warrior, *you* are the crusader of light.

The alpha and the omega, is *YOU*.

*YOU* *are* *Jesus* - at least in part, the *earthly* part - and *YOU* are now an active part of God, mind, body and soul, and *YOU* are to conduct the very essence and power of God, to destroy the world over and over and over.

God's very blood flows through *your* veins and vengeance is why you are here, you are going to reset the Earth back to how it was and start again...

...and you are going to start right now.... and these kids with their brightly coloured baggy clothing are the first sinners to deal with... but you're not sure what they have done exactly, you're pretty sure it was something to do with them looking at you funny, and they may have called you a name...


most likely a dream, and not, an actual thing that happened - but i'm not really sure - *winks*at*the*nutters* - so i thought i'd put that disclaimer in there...

i should also note that the word "evil" is the best one word description to approximate that feeling in retrospect... 'evil' was the feeling I got from believing in god, Jesus or whatever it is the cool kids call it these days, Yzwksjkwkl, Yehyeh, Yeeehah, Youwah .. YES-U-R .... Yes-you-are!!!

and the nearest experience I can think of today, is the same "rush" I get when listening to say,.,, Slayer or Metallica or TOOL or Van Halen, something like that ....

but that was pretty much the only god/Jesus experience I can recall, but imagine what would happen if that sort of experience happened regularly to someone? to an adult person?? an adult christian person?

is this what the fundy experiences all the time?


IT'S DARK SIDED!!!


mostly written, 14th Oct 2009, mostly....

a perfect god doesn't change... (religiorant)

in case you haven't noticed, i like to take the piss out of religion, and one of the things i love in this regard, is taking people literally at their word when it comes to their beliefs.

i say, we hold these guys to their eternal and perfect god to the letter of "perfect" and "eternal"

((exercise for reader: does the bible actually say god is eternal, all powerful, all knowing, perfect??))

i wasn't intending this initially, but i thought I'd put the definitions, I usually use answers.com because it comes up first in google

http://www.answers.com/perfect

Dictionary: per·fect (pûr'fĭkt)

adj.

1. Lacking nothing essential to the whole; complete of its nature or kind.
2. Being without defect or blemish: a perfect specimen.
3. Thoroughly skilled or talented in a certain field or area; proficient.
4. Completely suited for a particular purpose or situation: She was the perfect actress for the part.
5.
     1. Completely corresponding to a description, standard, or type: a perfect circle; a perfect gentleman.
     2. Accurately reproducing an original: a perfect copy of the painting.
6. Complete; thorough; utter: a perfect fool.
7. Pure; undiluted; unmixed: perfect red.
8. Excellent and delightful in all respects: a perfect day.

http://www.answers.com/topic/eternal

Dictionary: e·ter·nal (ĭ-tûr'nəl)

adj.
1. Being without beginning or end; existing outside of time. See synonyms at infinite.
2. Continuing without interruption; perpetual.
3. Forever true or changeless: eternal truths.
4. Seemingly endless; interminable. See synonyms at ageless, continual.
5. Of or relating to spiritual communion with God, especially in the afterlife.

n.
1. Something timeless, uninterrupted, or endless.
2. Eternal God. Used with the.

just checking that the words haven't changed meaning and they would seem to have not changed..

(is it just me or are those pronunciation things eg (ĭ-tûr'nəl) supposed to mean anything? they're more complex than the word they are trying to represent!)

ALL GODS ARE PERFECT

if god is perfect and has been around for ever, then how could god have made the universe?

let me explain....

something that is perfect doesn't change - right? god doesn't become less perfect and it doesn't become more perfect! so what changed after a trillion to the power of a trillion years to the power of a trillion etc years that god felt it necessary to stop this incredible feat of doing absolutely nothing, and create the universe, just for us? if we truly are a recent addition to the universe, then exactly what is this claim of perfection in god?

In order for a perfect god to do something, it has to change its mind and interrupt its perfect state.

eg. god sits there perfect in it's glory in heaven, but it has to open it's mouth up and speak the words to make the universe happen, so then what changed, what interrupted this stream of god's perfection? If you were perfect, would you need to go and do something? A perfect god doesn't have time to do things, it's too busy being perfect!

Essentially what i am saying is that if something is perfect, that perfect thing does not change, if it does change, it's not perfect. So if god did make the universe, it's not perfect, or if it did, then making universes is what god does *ALL* the time, which would make us not special and unique at all.

GOD MAKES THE UNIVERSE, JUST FOR US!

and even if something did change and we just ignore that tiny blemish in the perfect being, well why didn't god get the inspiration to create us just a tad bit sooner? so god has been around for all those aeons, like forever, but suddenly at some random point, RECENTLY, god suddenly thought to make a universe? but why didn't god get it's act together, about an eternity sooner? (if that makes sense?)

if i was god, i'd be getting onto this whole creating the universe thing pretty damn quickly!! and if god did wait all that time, then why isn't it still waiting now, the chances are that it should still be waiting, right?

that's a bit arrogant of these god believers, isn't it? god created a universe billions of light years across, after waiting, all that time, just to make us, just so a subset of us would worship it. eg two thirds of the planet don't even believe in this god the same way .... and the ones that do, don't quite all see eye to eye either, *anyway*

so isn't it reasonable to assume that since the perfect god goes and does stuff (ie. it supposedly made us) it could have made and destroyed billions of universes, right? after all, eternity is a heck of a long time to sit around and do nothing at all.... so it stands to reason that if we are created by god, we are just the latest universe in a very very long chain of them, and that we are not special, that this supreme creator of the universe did NOT do all of that work and did NOT wait all of that time, just for the christians on this planet!!!

THE GOD PROGRAM

if there is a god, and it's perfect, and it's been around forever, it could have been designed and programmed such that no matter how far back in its memory it looked, it found *something*, even if it was a record that nothing happened. in computer terms you could "tell" a program that it was perfect and that it knew the answer to everything.. ask it anything, it will say, perhaps, "god did it" as its answer, and it would be right, according to its own parameters. or maybe god doesn't know what itself is going to do, as it's being controlled itself?

if god was created, who is to say it was not designed to think it was the ultimate power in the cosmos? how would it know otherwise? how could it know? it could be programmed to be oblivious to there actually being a creator, it could have been created such that it would not seek to find that answer in the first place.

how does god know it wasn't created?

how does god know it has been alive forever?


A PERFECT GOD CAN ONLY EXIST IN ONE PLACE...

so after this eternity of doing nothing - this perfect being that could do anything at all - this god suddenly decided it was a good idea to create us? by simply speaking the universe into existence?

no, the all knowing god knew right from the start .. oh wait ... there was no start when it comes to god, so uhmmm...

did god attain perfection? and then some stage later decide that god was now perfect? or was god always perfect?

something that is always perfect, doesn't have flaws, that's what the myspaztaztic crowds of chuns keep telling us - but the christian argument at times would appear to be that things that are complex can't possibly have come about by chance so uhmmm.... if god is perfect and has always been perfect then doesn't that mean god itself was created? According to BS that some christchins go on about, god is the most complex thing there is!!

you can not start with something that is complex, it can't start perfect - it *must* evolve - because if it didn't - magic is the only thing that explains the alternative and magic is NOT real... so the only actual place where something can be perfect and eternal is where.... ???

the only place that this god we keep hearing about could possibly seem to exist, is in the mind of those who believe in it, which is quite easily, the most likely location that god has ever existed.

a perfect god can only exist in one place, that's in your head, in your imagination!

Letting global warming happen?

I'm no expert on world climate, nor am i an expert on what would happen if the sea levels and temperature did rise (would there be more hurricanes and cyclones? how many people would be affected? where would they go? etc etc), and to be honest, this could be totally wrong, so if we keep that in mind...

..from what I've read about global warming if we keep going the way we are, we will have to deal with a sea level rise of about two metres over the next hundred years or so...

in countries with strong infrastructure, that's probably not going to be a massively big deal, especially if it happens over decades and action can be planned in advance etc..

however.. in third world countries a lot of people live on low lying river flood plains as that's where their food is grown, these places already flood nearly every year anyway, it's expected!

but, a significant portion of the world lives in these areas, so if the sea levels go up, they will have to move inland or perish! :( Some of these low lying countries are already over crowded, a huge push inland of millions of people could lead to famines and wars. For instance, there's not much high ground in Bangladesh at all.

Land areas effected by Sea level rising

also affected would be low lying regions of Indonesia, Thailand, Egypt, Pakistan, Iraq, and all of these places have high population densities already.. moving these people elsewhere would be an extreme problem to those affected.

from the various speculations on the interwebz, the average population that would be affected if the sea level were to somehow rise two metres today, is about fifty million people, which would probably mean that another fifty million people would be affected by having to share the land with these new arrivals ... soo lets say a hundred million people world wide would be affected ... not a small amount of people.

..., but if we ignore the displacement of millions of people for a moment, if the temperature does go up, doesn't that mean there will be more moisture in the air?

now correct me if my high school science is rusty, but hotter air can hold more moisture, and with the temperature up, more water will evaporate from the oceans, and with more water in the air, it stands to reason that it's going to rain more often, right?

now I know that as the temp goes up so does the temperature at which it can rain also goes up as well, but hello, moisture into the air during the day, wouldn't that all rain down at night time? hmmm... maybe i'm just being stupid

Water vapour at wikipedia

sure we don't want all those people along coast lines to have to move or have them stomped upon by mother nature, but what is happening to this planet?

it's *drying* up isn't it?

There are deserts that haven't seen rain in decades on this planet, don't we *want* more rain? I think there is a desert in Chile that hasn't gotten rain in a hundred years!!

Here's a good article about global temperature change

http://www.pittmag.pitt.edu/mar96/m96classesh.html

Now i'm not saying that if it rains more, it's going to rain on the spots that need it, but it's a start is it not?

So if the temperature goes up, sure we'll get more storms and floods, but if it brings rain to the frikking desert doesn't that mean that trees and grass can grow again, thus the deserts will *stop* growing and allowing more rain forests to grow??

Now i am certainly not saying go and dirty up the planet and *make* the temperature rise on purpose, but if we have more rain, doesn't that mean we can feed more people? Clean drinking water is a major problem in Africa, but it if rains often enough, those local communities can store their own drinking water and rivers will flow again bringing fresh water.

What if the temperature were to drop, wouldn't that be worse? Aren't places cold enough already? If the temp stays the same, aren't the deserts just going to keep getting bigger anyway? The Rain Forests shrank during the Ice Ages, there's some evidence that the Amazon turned into savannah grass land.

Here's a graph of temp/carbon/dust levels over the last 400,000 years


just what sort of conditions did the Amazon and Congo and all the rain forests form under anyway?? do you think it was during the ice age? bzzz! no!! where are all the rain forests? near the equator, right? where it's hot!

Some cool info about the biggest rain forest, the Amazon...


so if we have more areas with hot enough conditions to suit rain forests, don't we then create more natural carbon absorbers? not to mention that more ocean surface area from the higher sea levels means more area to absorb the carbon and more moisture in the air means more clouds and more clouds means more heat is reflected back into space in the first place...

the planet self regulates, but like i said at the start, i have only a very basic understanding of what would happen long term, but if the temperature goes up, it *will* mean that we lose coastal areas to the ocean, but won't we also "gain" inland areas?

isn't a whole chunk of the planet uninhabitable because it's too frinking cold or dry to live there? Imagine if Antarctica became suitable for *farm* land? I'm sure Siberia could take a few refugees too, gawd, why don't they move Bangladesh to Siberia?

of course if the temp goes up, it's likely that the animals that are accustomed to having the wilderness to themselves will not enjoy the spread of mankind onto their turf but sheesh, i can't think of everything. but if each country had their own sufficient supply of water for everyone, isn't that one basic need that is met? don't people go to war over water supplies?

lack of clean water means people are forced to risk drinking dirty water, drinking dirty water can lead to dysentery, which leads to death if not treated. lack of any water at all means farms don't get watered, and if no there is food, people go hungry and eventually die...

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the temperature of the planet could stand to go up a degree or two........

if there *is* a conspiracy about global warming, wouldn't it be more beneficial to those shady "powers that be" new world order types to *keep* the massive populations pre-occupied with their squabbles over basic needs? Maybe when it gets really bad they will come to the "rescue" and form their world government on the premise that since the world is in crisis because of an extreme lack of clean water, that the richer nations *must* share resources with other nations, and foot the expense of getting it there?

I'm sorry to say it, but if Africa keeps going the way it is, then aren't we going to end up with another massive famine again? actually it's already bad

This cycle will keep repeating, and eventually countries will need to look out for their own people as their own natural resources dwindle.

so I say *let* the temperature go up, podgy fat arses like me would have to lose some weight to handle the increase in temperature but this is a good thing.. and people are bound to bitch about having mozzie season all year, or even finding out what a mozzie is in the first place,

and what are we worrying about global warming for anyway, if it gets to be too much, we can just call up China!

Chinese scientists artificially induced the second major snowstorm to wreak havoc in Beijing this season, state media said, reigniting debate over the practice of tinkering with Mother Nature.

have you recently given away god? (religiohumorant)

here's something I know by heart... i've no idea what it means, but I know it because it's in a Jam & Spoon track "Muffled Drums" from "Tripomatic Fairytales 2001" and I've listened to that album at least a hundred times, possibly a few hundreds of times... apparently it is the opening paragraph to a book ... i keep forgetting what the book is called.....

muffled drums beat out a nerve scratching rhythm and red lights flickered hypnotically in the underground temple of Hades, where five thousand ragged worshippers knelt and abased themselves and ecstatically pressed foreheads against the cold and gritty cobbles as the trance took hold and the human venom, rose in them.... the drums...

these people are praying to what god I don't know, i've not read the book..... I think of Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom when I think of this image, you know, the scene where that guy gets his heart ripped out..

I never really had a "real" religion - because Music is my religion. I claimed *music* as my religion, possibly even before I was ten. Jesus just wasn't cool enough, Jesus didn't give me goose bumps down my spine when I heard the opening seconds of a song I was really in the mood to hear. Indiana Jones is far cooler than Jesus. Don't get me wrong, Jesus is cool, but Indiana Jones, *way* cooler...

Jesus and his sky daddy failed to move me spiritually, but The Eagles, The Doors, Boston, Split Enz, Australian Crawl... I shall read now from the book of "Sirocco" where our beloved brothers, Higgins and McDonough said

"You think it's going alright
You think it's going fine girl
You think there's nothing in it for you
I hope you don't
I hope you don't mind
Gonna get you come around baby
Wanna see you through it
Not makin' any promisses maybe
That's only in the movies, movies

Things justa
Don't seema
To be going right"

o' yea...

but back to the whole praying from that book i quoted, I see that scene as a metaphor for christianity, or any religion that demands that it is better than everyone else's for that matter ... kneel down and submit to this god being? i was taught to be humble which supposedly was from a christian teaching, so if anybody were to kneel down and pray to me i would be embarrassed! so an all powerful being who knows they are all powerful, why would they want to be praised other than to stroke their egos? ... maybe god ejaculates every time you stroke his ego when you jerk off pray to him? is that why it's always raining somewhere on earth?

oh wait.. what was the blog about again? giving away god... ok...

you don't *have* to give away god, you know .. you don't have to throw away the teachings of Jesus, or Buddha or Muhammad or whoever it is you used to pray jerk off to, they should just be a part of who you are - analogy: you read a fucking book, you don't go dwelling over the contents of the book for the rest of your life, everyone has their opinions - take what you like from religion and ignore the rest.... you can just drop the label and carry on as you were before when you let go of religion.. nothing should change...

if the Gucci label falls off your favourite outfit, does it stop being a Gucci?

and as to the matter of god - *ultimately* there's always going to be a point where god has to be invoked ...

except I don't invoke god, not really, my god is "I don't know" - whenever I say "I don't know" it could mean that god did it, but I'm at about 99% sure that it was not god, but I won't be so arrogant to exclude the possibility completely.. and I'm certainly not so naive and arrogant as to believe what some religion says about god!!! fuck that - I'm just a *little* bit smarter than people from two millennia ago...

the only true answer you can give for any question about god, is "I don't know".. does god love me? I don't know.. did god create the universe? I don't know... does god rah rah rah?? I do *not* know...

but more importantly - i do *not* care

seriously don't kid yourself about what god wants.. the christian bible is severely limited in it's applicability to modern day society... sorry, but here's an blunt anecdote:

a couple find out their kid is going to be born with some fatal genetic condition, something that can't easily be fixed, eg. half a brain, no legs and no arms, with it's heart on the outside, all of which you can find lovely pictures of on the internet should you care to search for them, so if the mental image of those words are not enough, you can always explore further. Now this couple choose to have this child, regardless of the extreme likelihood the child would be still-born, or the natural birth process (mother refuses caesarean) would traumatise the child and kill it soon after birth anyway, point is... the kid isn't going to live long and if it does, it's going to be in horrible pain or it will need care 100% of time for the rest of its life...

Now that sort of situation wouldn't happen often but it *does* happen, so with that in mind, if you were god, what would you be up there saying to this nice christian couple who seem to think that all life is precious?? If life is precious.. you wouldn't call a life lived in pain precious, would you? that's not life, that's torture...

Would you expect me or anybody else for that matter to live a life of utter agony and pain - *just* to appease your moral compass? well then, fuck you if that is what you believe.

I'd be saying "Look the tech is right there available to you!! I gave you lot brains to figure out how to look after yourselves so you can prevent this sort of shite from happening! it's called SCIENCE people!!" .. but heyz, that's just silly ol' me... what do I know about being god? for a start if i'd been around forever i'd certainly have used that time to think about how I could trick everyone into being nice to each other.. .


from Futurama "Godfellas"

BENDER - I bet a lot of people pray to you huh?

GOD - Yes, but there are so many asking so much. After a while you just sorta tune it out.

BENDER - Y'know, I was God once.

GOD - Yes I saw. You were doing well until everyone died.

BENDER - It was awful. I tried helping them. I tried not helping them but in the end I couldn't do them any good. Do you think what I did was wrong?

GOD - Right and wrong are just words. What matters is what you do.

BENDER - Yeah I know, that's why I asked if what I did - forget it.

GOD - Bender, being God isn't easy, if you do too much, people get dependent. And if you do nothing, they lose hope. You have to use a light touch, like a safecracker or a pickpocket.

BENDER - Or a guy who burns down the bar for the insurance money.

GOD - Yes, if you make it look like an electrical thing. When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.

I agree, any god worth it's heavy metal head-banger weight in gold would be so clever as to make sure we've got no way to tell one way or the other if it was god or not... it's a *god*, right? I just wouldn't know *how* to let people run amok and do whatever the fuck they wanted and have them praise me for doing nothing in the here and now.. I would be embarrassed to be the christian god...

oh but back to Indiana Jones and how they were mining for those sacred rocks? .. I mean what was the point? weren't those rocks going to bring forth Armageddon or something? see.. just like praying to the christian god?

By praying to Jesus, you are in fact preparing for the death of everyone on earth. So... do you *want* Armageddon to happen, do you? do you want all those people not privvy to this little known fact where people have little to no christianity, that you have to give your soul to Jesus by name in order to be saved for all eternity?

if the end of the world came right now, like when global warming happens two days before the day after tomorrow (adobe, where's my sarcasm font?), that's 4 billion people into the lake of fire... Satan would spend years refurbishing the Halls of Hell after the sudden influx of party goers, might need the Chinese to induce a snow storm in Hell just to get it back to the regular searing flesh temperature.

In heaven all the interesting people are missing.
--[Friedrich Nietzsche - German philosopher (1844 - 1900)]

gotta luv Nietzsche, the only philosopher I made a point of to "study" - so I began to read his stuff and it was like, "wait a second, that's how I think" ... "god is dead, and *we* killed him" it's not about us killing god literally, it's about us not being true to these principals that *we* created, and yet we pretend that we have adhered to them... ??

so i thought i'd rather explore all of the philosophy thing myself - as it was too boring anyway... better off making up my own philosophy!

this is one of many reasons why i don't have a problem with giving away or not being involved in the religion thing in the first place, I don't think I live up to the standards of christianity anyway, but then again I don't go around telling people to kill themselves for being so "stupid" as to not give my soul to Jesus, so there's no way i want to be associated with people like that, so it's a win-win situation.... i'm not good enough to be a christian but i'm better person than a lot of the loud christians so it doesn't matter. And that's not bragging, it is easy to declare oneself better than someone who is an utter cunt of a person.

but it just doesn't matter....

and you may feel bad about "sinning" down here on earth, but you won't be even thinking about that "sin" in heaven let alone actually doing it... god let's shit slide down here, at least for the time being, but in heaven, different story my lubblies... he *knew* Lucifer would betray him, just from a stray thought wasn't it? i can't control my brain, I'd be out in a second simply for thinking about something that would eventually lead to thinking about a sin... oopps.. do we have free will in heaven? so uhmmm.. i bet there aren't many people in heaven, I bet it's just one Mexican dude with a broom standing around going "Oh I so dired, oh I so sleeepeeee" ..

no i'm not drink.. drunk even

can you name me one feeling you like here on earth that you can take to heaven, and why do you think it'll be ok in heaven?? can you take your lust to heaven? your sloth plus your twenty dozen other vices? is there going to be music in heaven? there won't be booze, drugs, what are you going to talk to god all the time, are you, what are you going to talk *about*? you and everyone else going to take turns talking to god?.. you going to be with the perfect partner in heaven? nope, what about all those people that died at a young age who thought they were going to be with their honey's in heaven forever? what if your hunny went on and found someone else? what if what if what if what if?!?!

maybe this is why marriage is "sacred", you know? hmmm - it worked out so much better when the parents arranged weddings because then you get to find your perfect partner first time out onto the factory floor and then you marry them, fuck them, haves kids with them, and then stay with them forever until death do you fucking part? and if you do lose your partner at a young age, you might as well close up shop and not bother looking for a new love because ya hunny is waiting for you in heaven ...

ooppps... that's if they got in, that is...

I mean it's always possible that they didn't - so you could end up wasting your life here on earth waiting to get old and die so you can see your hunny but then when you get to heaven it's a matter of "oh no i'm sorry Mrs Jones, your husband ate pork on Friday once.. so sorry.. but not to mind we wipe your brain and all your emotions as that's the only way you can possibly enjoy heaven now"....

welcome, to the nice vegetable patch in the sky ...

you don't need to give away god... you need to kill it..

the true god is waiting for you, whatever the fuck it is... and Jesus... his teachings were cool, but so was Gandhi, John Lennon, Buddha, Star Trek, Star Wars, Galileo, Hawkings, Sagan!! but that bible, none of it was written by Jesus at all, was it?

when i was a kid, I'd read about legends, like King Arthur, Robin Hood or books from Tolkien later on in life ... it'd be so great to be able to "beam" the stories into your head as fast as the brain can handle them, that'd be so trippy to "read" the Lord of the Rings in half an hour...

but things in the bible, those things were written down decades after the events, and there is no very clear history of early christianity, so in fact, the bible has its very authenticity in question as entire books were removed at the command of some Pope millennia ago... there's a Book of Thomas kicking around... Thomas aka Judas Thomas aka Jude Thomas aka The Twin aka the twin whose other half was Jesus... hey that's what wikipedia told me

and half the new testament, was written by some dude who claimed he saw god, and named himself a disciple of Jesus, but it's actually very likely that this dude probably never even met Jesus for any length of time, and yet half the christian bible's new testament is written by this dude, just where did he get all this shite from? I don't care if it's 100% good stuff - who the fuck is Paul and why is it called christianity? that's so funny, I'm thinking I'll start to actually laugh about it... in about a decade..

At best the bible can *only* be third hand information, you should know that, by the way...

god -> prophet -> scribe -> bible -> idiot misinterpreting bible

there's three degrees of separation in there somewhere ... but it's much worse than that, there was no such thing as English two thousand years ago, you know? .. and only clerics and other godly people were taught to read back in the day, so only the god damn priest could read the bible to you anyway, right?

why do you think all the scientists of yesteryear got into so much trouble for teaching what we commonly know today? Religion was what allowed these people to study and teach their blasphemy to the masses, ironic that the Church funded a lot of educational institutions back in the day. Galileo studied and taught in Christian universities .. imagine being up against the whole schbaggle of fundie christians when they are the idiots in power??

it's not really that long ago we were in the dark ages... and much to my disdain the dark ages linger in pockets all over the world... and i make reference to the fuck sticks that think space is an ocean, that the earth is the centre of the universe, that the planets travel around on invisible rails with god at the fucking wheel and the only reason that the planets don't slow down, is because god has his foot on the gas pedal...

you should hate god, hate *their* god to death if you must, say, "fuck you god" "fuck you and your god".. and when it doesn't smite you down as suggested by its believers, you will know the truth, because just how *can* you know anything about the real god?

and when you say fuck you god, if there really is a god and it's listening to everyone's thoughts simultaneously, i'm pretty sure it would laugh and it would know you aren't talking about it... i'd be actually tempted to find believers and get them to hold my hands and then I'd chant some blasphemy and then say "STRIKE ME DOWN GOD!!" and wartch dem sqwirm...

and if there really is no god, then that actually makes the universe so much more fucking completely fantastic, because that means that the universe made itself..

my god is "I don't know" .. which, according to Lt Cmd Data, saying "I don't know" is the beginning of wisdom ...

ps. this is *so* not what I first thought about when I had the idea for the blog, in the other room... it was something to do with... analogies of something... i think... if i remember i'll write that blog later


this is a rant that i can't be bothered to make make sense... (legit use of a double "make"??)

the god flaw ... free will ... (religiorant)

if god gave us free will, then why was the flood necessary? why were the commandments necessary? why was Jesus necessary?

god, supposedly put us here and gave us the free will to do what we wanted, but then god interfered and threw us down a different tangent, and it supposedly did this on more than one occasion too, so it was so no fluke that this alleged god interfered.

god is supposed to be perfect, so why did god need to keep interfering? why didn't god get it right the first time?

it's fucking god for fuck sake, no god would make a mistake.... because if it did make a mistake, then what are we doing calling it "god"?

god is omnipotent, which is pretty damn smart, so even *with* the free will that it supposedly gave us, god should have figured out there'd be a very high possibility some of us would go nuts with this free will notion...

the only way god can wash it's hands of this is if god made the universe, and merely just let the program run and everything since the creation of the universe that is allegedly attribute to god, has been made up completely by us...

god, the greatest failure of all time, just look at us for the proof, or perhaps the flaws in god are proof that god was mankind's blunder, and not the other way around?

Is man one of God's blunders? Or is God one of man's blunders?
--[Nietzsche]

LONG BLOG

a brief history of the christian's god shall we?

GOD FAIL #1

god creates universe including our solar system and earth - so far so good, no worries, god then makes life in general, including mankind with our free will, and that goes well for a bit. But only for a little bit, as Adam and Eve eat of the apple and they are banished from Eden.

But this wasn't totally or really god's fault, because giving us free will, meant that we were able to do whatever we wanted, so even if god knew what we might end up doing, it was our choice to fuck up... but the experiment failed, as god counted on us to choose to behave, god chose poorly....

So the precedent is set - on god's first attempt at humanity with our having free will, it turned out that there were "some" bad results, as we went off and stuffed up what god gave us - however - from this point on god has no excuse for not knowing what can result from our free will, and if Adam and Eve weren't evidence enough of the bad results inherent with free will: Cain murdered Abel...

So the third person, murdered the fourth person - we didn't start off very well according to the bible did we? ....

So within the first four humans created by god, at least half of them did something *really* bad - Eve ate the apple, even though told not to, and Cain goes and kills his brother. Good job god, fifty-fifty on the good V bad results of free will...

The precedent was set, free will equals sinning. here's a neon sign for you god.



Got it?

GOD FAIL #2

So now I ask the reader this, if god knew that free will thing was just going to lead us into temptation *anyway* - then what was the purpose in wiping us all out apart from Noah and his family? Did god think that it was going to turn out better after wiping us all out, what was different after the pre-flood phase?

Nothing. Oh the blood was pure... the blood was pure? what the fuck does that even mean? Is that a reference to humans fucking with angels? anyway....

To save face on this free will thing after wiping us all out, why didn't god give us the ten commandments at the time of Noah?

No.... god sent these commandments to us long after we re-descended back into our sinful ways, when it was already too late. It should have been obvious that this free will thing meant that we needed guidance, that we needed to be told certain things, ie. don't kill. I'm looking at you, Cain.

But god failed to instruct us at the *perfect* time when it could have laid down the law... but god did not

GOD FAIL #3

But how did this ten commandments phase turn out? not too good, as we fell back into the sinning *again* and it was so bad that god changed tact this time and sends Jesus..

and how has this Jesus phase turned out?

Often I've read christians saying that we are sinning and falling into the depths of more and more sinful ways and rah rah rah ... so it seems this giving us free will, wasn't such a good idea, and yet this "perfect" god needed to try and fix things up by sending Jesus?!!

a truly all powerful perfect god would have made us, and that should have been it, free will or not, foreknowledge of everything to happen or not, a god should have known we'd fuck up by giving us free will.

if god wanted us to have religion, the first religion invented should have stuck, no?

did it? what *was* the first religion? the first monotheistic religion i know of is Zoroastrianism.. and I believe there are ten thousand of these guys still kicking around some where in the outback of Iran or Turkey...

but the christian god is the Judaic god - so why didn't Judaism stick? why did Jesus need to be sent?

I see faith in your eyes
Broken is the promise, betrayal
The healing hand held back by the deepened nail
Follow the god that failed
--Metallica

SUMMARY

god fucked up... and he fucked up big time and not only just once...

god *knew* what was going to happen, after all, god is all knowing and all powerful, he should have at least guessed that we'd run amok, and even if god didn't know what was going to happen with free will, the first four humans should have given god ample empirical evidence of what to possibly expect in the future, and yet god still interfered...

* god needed to kill us all except a handful in the great flood - FAIL #1

* god needed to send the ten commandments sooner rather than later when it was obvious humans needed guidance, god should have sent the commandments to Noah so that right at the restart after the flood we would be guided - god did not, god waited until we went stupid again - FAIL #2

* god needed to send Jesus because the ten commandments just wasn't enough to set us on the path to righteousness - sending Jesus is admission that god fucked up *again* - FAIL #3

CONCLUSION (read RANT)

these failures are not minor, and yet, doesn't one tiny nick in god's armour, make "god" unworthy of the title "god"?

of course there are answers to these questions,

* there is no god and the universe just is; or
* god is imperfect and is not worthy of the title god; or
* god is a bastard and is not worthy of being praised; or
* god doesn't know we are here at all; or
* god knows we are here, but we are just another life form with little more intelligence than an ant; or
* life is so prevalent throughout the universe and we are "nothing to write home about" .

that Epicurus dude ...

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"--[Epicurus]

and Marcus Aurelius said something similar to this as well... (don't get me started about the Roman Empire, bloody Romans)

Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.--[Marcus Aurelius]

which is preferable? which is more likely? which contradicts the bible the least? which doesn't insult you at all? do you care?

maybe atheism is the last gasp effort of god... "OK let's forget about me completely this time and see how you do by yourselves!"

but of course god won't show up and tell us this - imagine that? god shows up and says "OK people ... can we say FAIL? stop believing in me, I've had enough of the lot of you... oh and you were all wrong, making the non-believers the default winners because everyone else chose incorrectly" ..

finally we can tell the christians to shut up, the Israelis to share the "holy land" or pack their shit up and get out, the Buddhists to carry on, the Vatican to spend it's entire fortune on feeding and cleaning up Africa, and the Muslims ... well.. they need to lighten up, like, a *lot*...


END BIT


it is my belief that if there is a god, it made the empty vacuum of space and made the "laws of the universe" (gravity, inertia, speed of light, rah rah rah), and via the laws of the universe, that pure vacuum of nothing eventually turned into our universe somehow, via NATURAL means..

maybe god just made the laws of the universe? and that nothing was already there? i mean, how do you make nothing anyway?

and i'm not just talking about our visible universe either - i've read that what is beyond our universe is irrelevant, "for the sake of simplicity", is what they mean to say... what's stopping us detecting another "big bang" from another universe, that exploded a thousand billion years ago, tomorrow?

which leads me to the conclusion that our bit in the void of the cosmos is *a* god, and that this god did the most impossible thing of all...

god made itself..

this alone is far more worthy a task of a god than having existed forever in my book.... and is actually FAR more believable to me as well, because if this god being has been around "forever", are we to truly believe that god made the universe *only* 6000 years ago, or *only* 4.5billion years ago, or *only* 20billion years ago? why did god not do this creation thing a trillion to the power of a trillion years ago?

AND are we truly that arrogant to think an all powerful god being sat around doing nothing for all that time, for the soul purpose of making us?

if you can find fault in god, then how can this thing be god? but what fault does one find in the universe? the universe is perfect the way it is, you can't find fault in the universe because what is, is what is...


i love making this shit up...

the three most incredible things god could do?

the three most amazing things god could do?

I am talking even *more* incredible than things you have already heard about before, even more incredible than: god is everywhere, god is eternal, god created the universe, god creates the laws of the universe, gravity, inertia, magnetism rah rah rah... blah blah blah...

okay here are my three most spectacular things for god to do, i'm mostly sure i have not heard them before elsewhere, mostly..

god creates itself

do you think god can't possibly be of infinite age? problem solved, god invents itself. forget the eternal god, god can create itself.. what's more impossible, an eternal god or a god that can create itself?

god is at every *when*

god is at every *when* in the universe, god can see each moment in time because maybe god can just look at all of the fourth dimension (time) at a glance from the vantage point of a higher dimension? so god doesn't *need* to know everything, because it's there seeing it in real time all the time anyway.

god creates an infinite amount of "nothing"

god creates an infinite amount of the empty vacuum of space, a perfect vacuum, a trillion light years in every direction with not even a single particle of any kind. If this was all that god did, it would stand to reason that the laws of the universe then went onto create the universe that we see, somehow.



LOL!

what super bizarre thing can your god(s) do? what *have* they done?

did your god also do nothing for trillions to the power of trillions of years, then worked for six days, for a few minutes each day, then needed to have a rest?

I am sick of hearing about Hitler...

i am pretty sick to death of hearing about Hitler, the Nazis, the Holocaust and people *keep* saying to the whingers (like me)

"we must *never* forget so that it never happens again" ..

well... good... great idea... but forget what, exactly?

"we mustn't forget that the Hitler and the Nazis caused the Holocaust..."

well... again... good... great thinking... Hitler+Nazis==Holocaust .. got it ... but...

The next political party capable of committing such a thing as to rival the Holocaust that gets into power will more than likely NOT be called the "Nazi Party", and the leader of the group will most likely NOT be called Adolf Hitler...

so this fretting over everyone being the new Hitler, this constant referral to people being Nazis, what *use* is it? The more you go on about something, the more people will ignore you when you go on about that thing and more than likely, they will start to ignore *everything* you have to say, no matter how important you think what you have to say is.

Of equal irrelevance is what Hitler and the Nazis believed in - who cares if they were christians? not all christians want to exterminate ethnic minorities.

who cares if Hitler agreed with the science of evolution, not every one who accepts evolutionary science has ordered millions of people to their deaths.

so no matter what Hitler believed in, it was obvious it came from many sources, are we just going to keep on blaming everyone because we *supposedly* believe in the same things as Hitler does, if that's the case then every person has something in common with Hitler, you STUPID fuck tards. Hitler drank water. Hitler pissed and took a crap.

Grow the fuck up, ALL of you.

What is mostly vacant from all of these references to Hitler and discussions of what colour undies the Nazis wore, is any mention of *why* Hitler did what he did?

We keep going on that we must never forget what the Nazis did...

well... good... great idea... but we know WHAT they did... we know WHO they did it to.. we know the names of the people who did these things and the names of the people that were exterminated...


but all of those things are irrelevant if we are *really* serious about stopping something like the Holocaust from happening again, because history has shown that time and time again throughout the ages that any person or any group of people can get together and do nasty things, no matter what they believe.

So what we need to know is *why* Hitler did what he did.

In *one* sentence, in your own words, *why* do _you_ think Hitler did what he did?

do unto others... (or i'll smack u in the balls)

clearly all the hub-bub about atheists having no morals is merely a way to distract everyone from looking at the crappy corrupt morals of those with religion!

if being a paranoid-insulting-judgemental prick towards everyone around me is what being a "moral" person is, then feel free to keep your fucked up religious ideals to yourself...

Do I have morals?

I *personally* believe in "what goes around, comes around", however some people simply call this "karma", and some might think of it as being something more like "you reap what you sow", some may even think of it passively as "do unto others, as you would have them do unto you", so that's what I believe in, if I had to answer the question of "do I have morals."

"but but but..." ... What's that you say? but Jesus said "Do unto others..."??? and it's from the bible???

No shit, Sherlock. So does that make me a realllllly bad christian, seeing how I cherry picked one ideal out of the bible and ignored the rest?

Well, if that is true, then NEWSFLASH!! Unlike judgemental christian cunts, I actually cherry-picked the one actually *good* bit from the bible.

I wonder how many people call themselves christian when all they have lifted from the bible is "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?" .. In fact it doesn't even literally say that, but that is what is meant, regardless of what version of the bible you have and how your twisted mind interprets the pretty jumble of words you judgemental arsehole christians clearly do not understand.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethic_of_reciprocity#Christianity

Leviticus 19:18 "Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself.",

Leviticus 19:34 "But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God"

Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

Luke 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

Luke 10:25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? 26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? 27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself. 28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.


but this ideal is not limited to christianity...

“Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself.”
— Confucius, Analects XV.24 (tr. David Hinton)

“One should never do that to another which one regards as injurious to one’s own self. This, in brief, is the rule of dharma. Other behavior is due to selfish desires.”
— Brihaspati, Mahabharata (Anusasana Parva, Section CXIII, Verse 8)

“Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you.”
— Muhammad, The Farewell Sermon

and quite frankly ... it's common sense, as it's a learned behaviour eg. if you're mean to people, they won't be wanting to associate with you and if they do you should *expect* them to be arseholes right back at you, however, if you're nice to people, you would tend to have more nice human interactions, seeing how people tend to get along with people who aren't cunts to everyone they meet.

So it's little surprise that many cultures have come up with the idea of "do unto others", so why do christians have it so wrong? I guess some people need to be told to grow up?


a lot stolen off http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethic_of_reciprocity

clarify my position on god... (what do i believe? part 32b)

a lot of people seem to be confused over my position on god, so to clarify in one sentence:

nothing can be known about god, therefore it is impossible to have a position about god....

which is just fancy talk for "I don't know" and i truly don't care, but i do love making up stories about said being...

and while it may be a nice sentiment for someone to say that god "loves me", but that's all it is: a nice sentiment. furthermore, such a statement would have my contempt, even if I don't show it or say anything about it.

the fate of my immortal soul is pretty important stuff, if I had one, so if I am going to believe what some random person has to say about the fate of my soul, then i'm going to need some rather definitive specifics about this "afterlife" thing and this god thing that i'm apparently setting myself up for, and some random threat of me going to "hell" for all eternity because I don't believe in some dude called Jesus, can't do that...

"oh you just need to read the bible" doesn't cut it ... "oh you just need to believe in Jesus" ... nope, sorry! gotta do better than that ... "oh well, then, you're going to hell!" ... OK, nice sales pitch there, you should sell life insurance: "If you don't buy my life insurance I'll kill you, for all eternity!!" .. ahem... if there is a god, it's not yours, and if it does actually turn out that your god is *the* god, then I still won't being worshiping it, not if it turns me into a religious fuck-tard.

if god did make me, then it made me damn well smarter than to blindly believe some story from two thousand years ago. Especially when these people representing this "god", lie and cheat and do exactly what they tell us is "evil". And "yes", most religious people are good people, I suppose, but it's the out spoken nut cases that ruin it for all.

so don't be surprised and don't get offended, because i am just as likely to say "oh my god!!" or "fuck you god!" or "fuck god" or "there is no god" or "i believe in the *true* god" when it comes to my opinions about this god creature...



but before we continue... perhaps i should stop... and let you read something that helped erase that childhood "fear" of god... perhaps you may understand a little better ... and don't skimp on the lyrics either... and excuse me.. but this is just fucking awesome...

SLAYER
SOUTH OF HEAVEN



An unforeseen future nestled somewhere in time.
Unsuspecting victims no warnings, no signs.
Judgement day the second coming arrives.
Before you see the light you must die.

Forgotten children, conform a new faith,
Avidity and lust controlled by hate.
the never ending search for your shattered sanity,
Souls of damnation in their own reality.

Chaos rampant,
An age of distrust.
Confrontations.
Impulsive habitat.

Bastard sons begat your cunting daughters,
Promiscuous mothers with your incestuous fathers.
Ingrate souls condemned for [all] eternity,
Sustained by immoral observance a domineering deity.

Chaos rampant,
An age of distrust.
Confrontations.
Impulsive sabbath.

On and on, south of heaven

The root of all evil is the heart of a black soul.
A force that has lived all eternity.
A never ending search for a truth never told
The loss of all hope and your dignity

Chaos rampant in an age of distrust
Confrontations, impulsive sabbath

On and on, south of heaven

i don't believe in god, regardless of its existence, i don't believe *in* it... read that carefully... that is to say that while I may just believe that there could be a god, what I am saying is that I wouldn't believe in it if there actually was a god that had revealed itself to the world!

every god that I've read a story about, well, the authors of said stories don't really sound like they thought the whole god thing through.

god made the universe in six days and then took a day off?

from a human perspective, that's pretty impressive, but a god? nope, sorry... god takes a week to make the universe? a *god*? wouldn't a *god* make the universe instantly? or do something far more impressive than that?

SHRUGISM

i mostly call my attitude towards god something like "who gives a fuckism" aka whateverism aka shrugism aka whocaresism

i don't care to have a position either way either...

i don't care what your position on god is either

i don't believe in god, but neither do I deny the utterly extremely remote inkling of a possibility that there could be a god

if i say "god does not exist" - I mean *your* christian/islamic/judaic/whatever-religious god does not exist, it doesn't mean that i do not deny the possibility of god, but thus far every story about god that i have ever heard just doesn't cut it. not even close.

you see, my question is this, how can you *know* anything about god?

"oh but the bible says..."

"The bible says a lot of things. And not very clearly."
--[Spanky Ham]

no god attached to a religion *can* be god

because as soon as you give your god a religion, the religious insistence of making that god their own downgrades this being they regard as infinitely all knowing and all encompassing, creator of *all* things, to a somewhat less than godly status, do they not?

for example: the christian god is only god to two billion or so people, the christian god doesn't account for everyone on earth, so it's not god. religion is an excuse to exclude other people that are different to you, you have no right to speak for god by making the assertion that your god is *the* god... talk about arrogance!

If your god is to be god, it must apply itself to every being in the universe that is able to grasp the concept of god, whether those beings know of a particular religion's god's existence or not, right?

according to a lot of christians, you need to give yourself to Jesus - by *name* - in order to be saved. But how can someone who didn't grow up in a christian society know anything about Jesus in the first place? Not everyone can, therefore christianity doesn't apply itself to everyone, therefore the christian god is not god. Same for any other religion that excludes people who don't follow that particular religion.

(oh and NEWSFLASH!! worshiping Jesus by name is utterly stupid because two thousand years ago, there was no person on this planet called "Jesus" and nor had there been and nor would there have been for another 1500 years as the letter "J" wasn't invented until the 1500s, look it up)

I believe in the possibility that there could be a god, but this god is the true god, whatever that is. It could be that a race of people from a trillion light years away is what we think of as god, and all these qu'rans and bibles and star wars trilogies are all just stories made up in the meantime to amuse ourselves as we find out more about the universe.

if there is a god being, it made gravity and the laws of the universe, and a great empty vacuum of space, and somehow that turned into what we see today, for my mind that is far more of an impressive idea about god than a god that didn't do anything for zillions of years then did something for six days then had a rest on the seventh, what sort of god needs to have a rest anyway?

mostly written on 15/07/09, mostly.....

what do i believe in? (part 46-a)

this is one of many blogs on my ideas about god, and it's rather long. but just remember god is a personal thing so this is from a personal perspective, so there is no right or wrong when it comes to god, it's just that most people are so SMALL minded when it comes to god... especially the ones who claim to believe *in* god!

ATHEISM IS NEITHER YEA NOR NAY

atheism to me, I should clarify, is not the denial of god(s). sure that can be part of it, depending on the circumstances, but... the way I see it, is that if you deny something, you lend credence to the possibility of its existence, or that you actually do *hate* or have some gripe against this something that you deny and that you deny it to make it go away.

And from personal experience, I know that this is how it works, at least for me, it worked with god by the way, seeing how I used to hate god for all the stupid things that god let happen to me, and to the world. (angry teenage years: an even longer story)

if you truly didn't believe in the existence of god, you wouldn't deny *or* affirm it, as you wouldn't waste your breathe, atheism to me is the neutral position. NEITHER YEA nor NAY.

As an example: an atheist talking going on at length about god, is akin to a "straight" guy going on about homosexuals at length, and what do we know about straight guys that go on about gays? They are either gay and won't admit it to themselves (in spite of everyone else thinking they were gay), or they are worried that they are gay and saying "I am not gay!" or talking about gays in general is merely an affirmation or a mantra they use to make the gay stay away (LOL)... basically what they are worried about is that they don't seem manly enough. boo hoo...

Sooooo... anyone going on about god, especially if they are not prompted to talk about the subject, like me, is probably a closet believer in there being at least some sort of thing out there in the universe that qualifies at least partially as god. like me, they probably won't admit it to themselves, let alone say it out loud, unlike me.

Atheism to me is the complete lack of any thought or speculation at all about god, AT ALL...

an atheist wouldn't spend hours over a period of days and weeks and months writing blogs like I have been known to do that contemplate what this god thing is and an atheist certainly wouldn't emotionally act out over someone's opinion of god because any story about god is complete and utter fiction to an atheist.

When somebody talks to an atheist about god, I would expect the atheist to go "meh! whatever... go away.. god is boring..."

And as such, by this strict definition of an atheist, i don't qualify myself as being an atheist, i don't believe i've ever called myself an atheist, except for about a month, two years ago when i first got onto Myspaz. (and that was just to be part of the crowd)

but i am getting used to the lax interpretation of the term "atheist", but I'm not that impressed by the lax definition. As a demonstration of how I thought an atheist would think:: think of someone who truly believes in something that you know is incredibly absurd, say, the whole universe revolves around the earth, once every 24hrs..

to show you how STUPID that idea actually is, and this is exactly what people thought for hundreds of years and some still do, the following fact would have to be true: everything beyond the orbit of Neptune would need to be going *faster* than the speed of light in order to travel the distance it needs to go around the Earth every 24hrs.

so the mere concept of the universe revolving around the earth is something so bizarre, that when you think about how impossible it is, you feel compelled to *face*palm*... it's not something that you would even think about, because it's SO fucking ridiculous you don't even try to evaluate the mere concept in the first place.

that's how I thought atheists would think in regards to god. The point is, an atheist would find the whole concept of god so stupid that it would never occur to the atheist to think about it in anything more than a passing thought!

so all my bizarre rants about god, for my mind, disqualify me from being a true atheist...

I BELIEVE IN THE ONE *TRUE* GOD....

but it seems i was sort of wrong though, as "atheists" these days go around saying "fuck you god", and "stick it up your arse god" and "god gives good head", "Jesus is gay!"

and other such silly things that they must be just saying to see if they get struck down or something, because taunting a god that they supposedly don't think exists, is a bit like yelling at ghosts...

"He thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts."--["IT", Stephen King]

so because of my constant contemplations about god, it makes me consider myself un-atheist.. *face*palms* .. unatheist? .. *rolls*eyes* ... yep...

but truth be known I BELIEVE IN THE ONE *TRUE* GOD.... whatever that is... and since god can never been known, that statement means nothing...

try that on the fundies.. don't tell them the punch line obviously... they'll ask: what is this god's name? (they will think it's Satan!) and then you say: "BLASPHEMY!! one does not speak what one can not know, the *Very* name of god is nothing worthy of a mere mortal. It would take an aeon to just say the name of god anyway" or "god does not make such things known to mortals" or "god has no known name because names were something humans invented" ... be creative


in other words, i don't know what to believe... I do like to speculate but i don't care to believe in intangible beings that seem rather inferior and too limited for the likes of something called "god"... people think too small when it comes to god, "god made the universe? wow! is that all? what else did it do? this *is* god we're talking about, right? so what else has it done? it's been around *forever* and it's *only* made our universe? but it's *god*??? this god has been around for trillions of years but the only thing it's done was this six days of creating stuff? YAWN!"


I like to place my trust in real things... like The Force!



I DON'T BELIEVE *IN*...

i don't believe *in* god. i don't believe *in* science. i don't believe *in* you, I don't believe *in* me. I don't believe *IN* anything what so ever....

oh wait! did I say I don't believe in *me*? i try to believe in myself - but that's a personal problem - and yes that may just be exactly how i came to this line of thinking - but the way i see "believing in" things is this, you have to have 100% trust in that something, to believe *in* that something..

that's what faith is all about, right?

the religious keep claiming their god is absolute and their faith is absolute, and that nothing can shake their faith in god, right? so isn't "faith" 100% trust in something? and when it comes to god, that trust is completely blind.

well... that's the theory.. and remember religion and god are TWO DIFFERENT things

what I'd like to believe, is that the universe is god and that we should all worship it, but not with prayers and silly rituals, we should worship it by respecting it! And seeing how we are all part of the universe, we can start by respecting each other as equals, as we are all, technically part of god.

So being the only sentient beings in the universe that we know of, we make up the collective conscious mind of god.

ABSOLUTES ONLY EXIST IN THE MIND

the only thing you can have trust in 100% fully, is something that you make up yourself.

Why *else* are we *so* devastated when the perfect person for us doesn't want us any more or even at all in the first place? This idea of this person who is perfect for us in every way, actually turns out to be .... *wrong* .... *GASPS*FOR*AIR* NO!!!

But why is that if you never spoken to them or even met them? how can someone who you've had little to no personal interaction with, possibly have any sort of control over you??

Because *EVERYTHING* we "know" and *LIKE* about that person, well, WE MADE IT UP.

more than that, WE MADE UP WHAT WE WANTED THAT PERSON TO BE, as we didn't just make an educated guess about so and so and consider what was possible with this person - we made up the very first thing that we wanted to have as an "attribute" of this person - we made it such that in our minds, this person is our honey, our lover, our world, the very air we breathe or indeed the other extreme and that this person is our nemesis, our bane, our ultimate pain in our arse.

But the truth is that this person wouldn't think twice about you, or ever, they wouldn't even recognise you if they passed you in the street. They might think "who's that freak staring at me?" and promptly forget about you two seconds later.

Is not god is an extreme version of this made up lover/friend??

That something that you keep having trust in 100% of the time is only trustworthy because *you* keep changing its parameters to meet *your* needs on the fly, or *you* alter and filter out external concepts that contradict this thing *you* admire - eg. Jesus says to love everyone, so why do people claiming to follow Jesus have problems with homosexuals? when that chick you are stalking, files a restraining order against you, do you assume that she **must** be playing hard to get??

ie. we see what we want to see... we don't see the reality of this image that we've created...

So it would seem that the "absolute" god of the religious NUTTERS, is created relativistically and on the fly as the need arises, and this absolute god, is probably uniquely created by every person who is a believer, in much the same way that someone "loves" someone else that they have never even spoken to before.

Sure, all christians may have a *similar* god, with *similar* properties and they might all just call it the same thing ie. "god".. but I suspect that there are hundreds of thousands of different versions of this "same" god, possibly even millions. possibly even 2.2 billion versions of it ... 3.3 billion if you count Muslims as having the same god as the christian god...

It'd be good if we could do a survey of ten million christians to see just how many properties of god they can list to see just how different each person regards their god.

An absolute and true god would have the exact same answers for every survey completed if these were true followers of god, right? It *is* the one and same god, right? so everyone should have the exact same idea if it's the same god, riiighhhhhht??????

this is one of many reasons why i can not believe "in" any religion - i don't listen to anyone else about anything, not without making up my own mind about it first, not unless I'm shown the facts of something there is no way I am just going to take some arbitrary thing on board as a legitimate concern in this universe and I am certainly not going to make fucking dumbarse religion fruit cakes exempt from the logic chip on my shoulder.

Or if I don't get a strong grasp of some concept in science (relatively, evolution rah rah rah), I won't accept it completely either, no way! those things go into the "I'll figure that shit out later" bucket, however, I do NOT stress over not knowing or if these "sciences" are incomplete or if I don't fully understand them.

For example it's often claimed that there are gaps in evolution, well, so what, it doesn't render the whole theory invalid! and seriously, what science is 100% completely explained anyway? well? ... Figuring this shit out is the FUN thing about science!! I certainly won't claim the slightest bit faith in something I have no understanding or knowledge of whatsoever, so why pretend to be religious if i'm just going to go with what I want to do anyway?

How absolutely pathetic of the religious to be claiming some higher source of morality or knowledge but then they just go with whatever the fuck they want to go with anyway... what's that about? What was the thou shalt not bear false witness?

i mean after all, the religious quite often claim god's morals are absolute, the "word" of god is absolute, god's power is absolute, god this absolute, god that absolute.. yadda yadda yadda ... don't take my word for it, just ask them!!

so i say let's hold the fuckers to their "absolutes" .. i love the word 'absolute' as it qualifies the word it describes

eg. "absolute darkness" == 100% darkness

absolute darkness leaves no room for even the slightest bit of light... it may be a pitch black dark night, but the stars are out, nope, that's not absolute darkness. The same is claimed of the "absolute" word of god... it's 100% infallible!! but that's not how it really is, is it?

the religious claim a "perfect" god, with a "perfect" word. These are absolutes, show me one absolute that's not exclusively in your mind. Eg. Absolute Zero, that's the coldest temp possible, but to my knowledge, it has never *actually* been achieved, has it? Even the coldest parts of space are a degree or two above absolute zero. Scientists haven't yet got something cooled down to absolute zero, they've come close though, *really* close. So while absolute zero may actually exist, and may actually be possible to achieve, but the only place it can possibly be achieved at the moment is in somebody's imagination because that's the only place the conditions to create absolute zero could exist.

So indeed if one full stop is half missing from this perfect word of god, then this perfect word being the word of god is a lie, is it not?

ALL RELIGION IS A LIE

But technicalities (honest mistranslations, spelling mistakes) are irrelevant as to why any scripture from any religion claiming to be the word of god is a lie...

The religious "word of god" is often written in parables and metaphors with cryptic references to a period in time where much of the events that have been and gone, have been lost to us forever.

So even if some religious text was indeed the actual literal "word" of god, human interpretation is vague and unreliable, therefore humankind itself renders this perfect "word" of god a lie because a perfect word of god would be interpreted how god meant it to be interpreted by every single person, the same way, every single time, without fail, because it's supposed to be *perfect*. How can it be perfect if it's misunderstood by even the dumbest imbecile?

Ergo: The word of god is not perfect because we are not perfect.

if god wanted people to follow him and praise him - it should have insisted on the use of words with one or two syllables with the occasional three syllable word every now and then, no parables, no metaphors, no cryptic puzzles, no occasional genocides, the perfect "scripture" of god should have been be dumbarse proof... (and god wouldn't be so fucking angry all the time.)

but that's not how it is, because if it was that simple, god could then truly claim to hate those that deliberately reject its word, as no-one would have an excuse for not understanding this "Word", because if they didn't get it, they would be dumbarse ignorant morons with little more brain power than a flea.

FILLING IN THE GAPS

take special note of the I don't believe '"*IN*"' bit... believing *IN* something requires you to make assumptions to fill in the "gaps", and how do we, as humans, fill in those gaps?

we fill in those gaps with our knowledge based on our emotions, we fill in those gaps with ourselves - with our own personal experiences - with how we *want* those gaps to be filled in - often with massive bias in favour of our own egos and often lacking practical or common sense.

i believe that's why people can outright lie and call god or god's word "perfect" ... because the bits of scripture that don't make sense or they haven't read, or have misread, it's *all* perfect to them because that's how their god works.

This is what we have all been told, god is *perfect* - of course god is perfect - if it wasn't perfect - it's not god. Which makes me wonder why we need to state that god is perfect in the first place, the word "god" should already defined to include the definition "perfect" by default. So for me, anyone talking about the "perfect" word of god doesn't truly believe that it really is perfect because if it is a given, why even mention that? Do you see and hear people telling other people that the sun will rise tomorrow? Of course the sun is going to rise tomorrow, so I can only assume that anybody saying that the sun is going to rise tomorrow is actually only saying such a thing because they don't truly believe that and they want to convince themselves by saying that well known fact out loud as an affirmation.

*Whatever* defining characteristics the religious make up about their god: it is "perfect", because their absolute god will always be "perfect" in their relativistic minds - and god is just a detached bit of someone's ego that claims itself to be the "perfect god"...

So of course god is perfect - it can never fail - and if it's not perfect enough - it can become *more* perfect! Such is the nature of the bias humans have toward things they worship. Girls, boys, god, Justin Beiber, whatever...

god, is only in the mind, so calling a god that is attached to a religion, "perfect", is probably one of the most arrogant things anyone can say, as that person is calling a part of themselves, to be "god", a "perfect" god at that ... they are claiming a bit of their *OWN* egos as being *perfect* and to further that notion: because it is there god, it is *their* religion so they feel compelled to pass the alleged word of god on to others. People aren't asking you to accept the word of any actual god, they are asking you to accept the word of god that just also happens to be their *ego*.

yes! the extremeness with which people are up themselves is beyond me at times.

and if there really is a god, attaching a religion to it implies that that particular religion is *the* religion - it's *god* after all - but that also puts a "limit" on god, does it not?

god supposedly has no limits, so isn't it reasonable to think that attaching a god to a religion, negates the all powerfulness of this god? does not attaching a religion to god, in fact, insult the very concept of god? does not attaching a worldly thing - a mortal thing - to a god, drag that god down to our level?

Or instead, does it perhaps, elevate the believer up closer to becoming god themselves? Which would imply that the believer elevates themselves above the non-believer, which is *exactly* what the religious do... whether they realise or not

"You need to believe in Jesus, or you're going to hell" is merely religious speak for "I'm better than you because I believe in Jesus!" ... (replace "Jesus" in the previous sentence with your favourite deity as is necessary)

This *must* be why people often react in outbursts when their god is questioned, we are offending the bit of their brain that thinks it is *god*, it's a very personal and shocking insult to have your almighty and infallible and perfect god get trodden on by a mere sentence.

the same thing probably happened with that friend of yours when you were a kid that your parents told you was no good, but you stuck up for this friend anyway.. this is also similar to when a husband who beats his wife and yet this particular wife sticks up for their husband when someone has a go at him for beating the shit out of her, "oh but he loves me!" ... Yeah, great logic... if you are put down, beaten, insulted, whatever by this god/person, but then you act out to defend them when someone else attacks them, well that's just not healthy..

This god seems to have a very strong control over those who lash out, leading to the conclusion that this god is closely linked to the fear centre of their brain.

This bit of their ego protects them, a person's religious god(s) are an emotional shield for their weak minds and weak minds are driven by fear, and fear, is the path to the Dark Side, which sounds somewhat corny, but Yoda knows his shit! LOL!

look at the things that people do in the name of their god - a fully conscious rational mind would not do these nut-zoid things and yes people *just* go crazy and that has nothing to do with religion at all, but Jesus H Christ!! - the news stories of people who merely "just" go crazy are few and far between as compared to people who did some crazy religious thing that they were inspired to do because of their holy scripture...

we've all heard tales of religious morons.. the guy that kept a dead woman in a toilet for months, because he wanted to give god a chance to revive her (he wanted to give god a *chance* implies that he does not much faith in that god); or what about that woman who killed her children before they sinned so they would get into heaven (didn't she trust her god to instruct her about how to raise her children to be decent kids?); the guy who cut his hand off for sinning with it; that dude who wouldn't get a small tumour operated upon because it's against his religion to have a blood transfusion, that tumour grew to be the bulk of his head (yeah god fucked up my face, so who am *I* to go have god's shoddy work corrected?)... there are heaps of these people.

We attempt to fill in these gaps of unknown knowledge with ourselves, with our *feelings*, with our *experience* and then somehow we think our feelings have become knowledge. We believe *IN* things because we are inspired by our feelings. Someone can tell you that they love you, and you can love them in return merely for showing you that much love, but it's their actions that speak loudest to actually make you believe that they do indeed love you.

Like believing in yourself, belief in god has to be balanced as well, the best religious people, do NOT dwell over their Messiahs and their gods, they are too busy living the life that their all loving god wants them to live.

GOD, THE ULTIMATE 'GAP' THEORY

Now with god, seeing how we actually know nothing at all about the actual god, *everything* is filled in with our feelings, with what we *feel* to be the right thing. These speculations about god are especially shaped around our deepest and most gripping fears. Seriously, what thing written about god isn't speculation? So isn't everything possibly 'known' about god, something someone made up?

fear of dying? god deals with that shit, so let's shove that bunch of yucky thoughts over to live with the bit of our ego we call god, no worries, fear of loss? fear of the unknown? just shove all of those icky thoughts over to this detached god ego thing, so god can look after it.. no wucking furries, sawright?

now this may work in a relatively pleasant society, where people tend to get along, but when religious opinions mix freely, expect some serious out pouring of this acting out on fears, I've seen it, if you're reading this online then you probably have seen it too, again it's that small 1% that are being as loud (or louder) than the other 99% christians or otherwise religious people that are too busy minding their own business to be a religious pain in the arse.

the inverse religious fundamentalist law... the disproportionate religious extremist factor, the theory that speculates that it is indeed the loudest, the craziest, the most extreme 1% of any religion, that can and do speak and act as much and as loudly and as often as the other 99% combined.

Every fundamentalist is driven by their "god ego", so when confronted with a blatant contradiction, the need to act out is paramount to create some sort of retribution to punish those who have sinned against their god-ego in order to protect that fragile ego, ie. them and their ego in a sort of "dog chasing its own tail" dance, sort of like a "mental feedback" loop..

EVERYTHING 'KNOWN' ABOUT GOD WAS MADE UP BY MEN

everything about god is speculation, because if it's not, then feel free to show me this knowledge that not a speculation about god...

and no, the clouds are not evidence of god, your feelings are not evidence of god either.

When your god is actually your ego, god is self referring, like the bible is the word of god, because the bible says so.. it is often a loop people can not get out of, and they are so crippled by it, then don't even know they in a feedback loop.

nut case believers who believe in god, do so because their ego tells them to believe in god, but god *is* in their ego, no wonder the religious don't realise what they do...

if I believed "in" a "god" being like fundamentalist religionists do, I would be believing in a detached bit of my own ego, what is more self righteous than that?

I do, however, believe there *could* be a actual god. But in saying that, however, not one idea i've heard about god does justice to the concept of "god". I'm of the opinion, "god made the universe you say, is that it? Is that all your precious god has ever done? sheesh.. not much of a god, is it? just one universe, this god of yours sounds like a pretty lame god to me"

I do accept that most of the knowledge that science presents to us, is indeed our best explanation for the universe around us, AT THE MOMENT. But I don't believe *IN* science, as that implies I would be devastated if it actually was wrong, or didn't exist, or was just in my imagination, as my faith would be removed like a jet suddenly losing its engines, I would be in free fall, I would be without a soul if i was detached from my precious god...

*rolls*eyes*

Satan V God - who appears the most in the bible?

Satan V God

who appears the most in the bible?

considering how much christians go on about THA DIVIL *sooooo* much ... i figured that well, The Unholy Fellow must be getting some serious air time by getting a mention on every page of the bible... but ....

Satan - 56 times in 49 verses

Lucifer - 1 times in 1 verses

Devil occurs 61 times in 57 verses

So, in total, His Darkness occurs 118 times in 107 verses

Wow - His Most Unholiness appears a lot!! way COOL! no wonder those loopy christians go on about him all the time!! shit man.. let's see how many times that other guy gets a mention... what was his name again? oh that's right. let's see how poor Jesus goes..


Jesus occurs 983 times in 942 verses

WOW!!! You'd think loooney christians would go on about Jesus NINE times as much as they do about The Prince of Darkness... but I'm thinking it's more like half and half... hmmm, oh wait... i forgot god!



God occurs 4473 times in 3893 verses

oh SNAP! god appears in about 36 times as many verses as The Ultimate Evil Dude does - and if you count Jesus as being on god's side (LOL!) then that's 45 times as many verses

so I'm thinking that christians should focus on the good things at least ten times as much as the bad things, but that's not how it is, is it?

it's a small minority that is destroying christianity for everyone, isn't that joyful? the christian fundies themselves that are doing the work of The Most Dark and Glorious Sinner!

oh maybe it's just that the worst christian fundies are online venting their anger into the cyberspace trying to taunt a reaction from some angry atheist?

or maybe they did what I did and just read and focused on all the cool bits of the bible that mention The Dark Lord, and other cool stuff like 6 6 6 - man I love "The Omen" - and dragons with seven heads slaughtering lambs while sounding trumpets while these four MEGA DUDES bring the ravages of Time, the despair of Famine, the rampant spread of disease of Pestilence, and ultimately, Death, but instead of having fun with it like I did, they became scared of the His Most Unholy Darkness!!

go figure...

ps. but maybe i did watch The Omen too many times


* Statistics from King James Version at Blue Letter Bible