what makes you an atheist? (part 1)

a rather long bunch of personal thoughts of what makes an atheist, just a plain atheist, and not an evil atheist (this time)...

i always thought that "atheism" meant the complete lack of any belief in, or in any relation to, any religion, or any god, whatsoever. simple. right? maybe not, as I have noticed that a lot of people seem to think of atheism as some sort of substitute for a religion, that it somehow implies that you accept evolution and all the sciences without question and that you've read every book by that Dick Dawkins guy.

If that's the case, then I'm a terrible atheist for merely having merely a basic understanding of evolution and the sciences, in fact, I'd be much like a christian that never read the bible or went to church. And as for Dick Dawkins and other warriors for atheism, I would have never heard of any of them if i didn't stumble upon the myspaz religion and philosophy circus two years ago and having been exposed to the sheer volume of noise about them, I have ended up absorbing some of their stuff by osmosis.

But then again, I know more about religion than I do about atheism (what exactly do you need to know about atheism again?) so I am *not* so unaware of people's religions that I am under the impression that Joan of Ark was Noah's wife. yes, that's right, there are christians who believe that Joan of Ark, is the wife of Noah. In fact, I even think where I read this they even got the "Noah" bit wrong, as they referred to him as ... Moses...

I think the problem here is that the religious mob are, mistakenly, referring to atheism as a belief system, it is nothing of the sort, but the atheist crowd are letting that mistake happen, so much so that atheists are even playing into this stereotype that has been created.

Atheism to me, is the complete absence of acceptance OR denial of all religions and their various and sundry deities. I state that I neither concur with both sides of the argument as to outright declare that there is no god at all, is almost as arrogant as declaring that there must be a god, sarcastic almost.

Taking an absolute position about god, "yay" or "nay", is to claim absolute knowledge of the surety of some being that by all rights is completely beyond our comprehension anyway. I think that to have knowledge of god, any knowledge, is to pretend to be bit god-like yourself. I firmly believe that you just can't know either way.

My technical position on god is this, the judeo-christiatio-islameo god, is extremely unlikely, and if it really is *the* god, then I choose to not accept it as being worthy of worship. As for other gods, I don't really know enough about them to acknowledge their existence or reject them outright as being unworthy, but i'm pretty sure that they will all have some petty characteristic that is far more human-like than god-like that would make me question their "god" status.

If there really is a god, it's a safe bet we've all got it wrong somehow, so in fact, would not choosing a "religion" actually be the safest thing to do if you really are worried about your immortal soul? then you can just say "hey look big guy, none of those religions made any actual sense, and I choose to not follow anything that does not make sense. That's why you gave us a brain, right?"

The easiest way to follow the first commandment, "thou shalt not have any gods before me", is to not follow *any* god or even have a position on god at all, this way you remove the extremely likely possibility that you are worshipping a false god! Don't want to break that first commandment now do we?

I like to think of atheism in much the same way as you or I would think about the concept of "me" - you are always "me" from your point of view, and I am always "me" from my point. But you just don't think about yourself as the plain old being of "me" very much do you? it's always "I am something" or "I want something" or "I need something".

Every thing else that gives us definition, all the "I ams" and "I wants" etc, are added later on to this "me" character that you are. The clothes you wear (I wear..), the people that you associate with (I am friends with), the religion you follow (I believe..) ... it's ALL added, and most of it is given so early on that it seems to be all that you know, aka indoctrination.

but you don't add anything to your character that makes you an atheist, do you?

So you don't technically become an atheist, you un-believe the religious brain washing, you have to stop being so Islame, you have to un-Jayzus your thinking, you gotta suppress thoughts about the hannuka draydel, you let those notions of your particular god and religion go. Then when you have thrown away all the religion and all the god stuff, you are merely left with your *natural* state, an atheist.

Who cares if god exists? (religiorant)

"oh no" you're saying, "another god blog", it's like an obsession for me, but I've found that it was necessary to do all of this to scrub the catholic fear of god out of me, but ask yourself this...

what is the difference if there is a god or not?

a) there is a god: you live your life as best as you can, treat people how you want them to treat you
b) there is *no* god: you live your life as best as you can, treat people how you want them to treat you

there's a bible for *everyone*... and there can be a hymn section in the back with just this little diddy

Do what you do do well boy,
do what you do do well
give your love and all of your heart,
and do what you do do well

keep singing that one in your mind over and over

Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.
--Marcus Aurelius

the last of the good emperors of Rome was really onto something there....

this is the point i am at, god does not matter, how much more should I have done? ate some crackers? drank some wine? said "Jesus is my lord"? said a prayer to a god that hasn't shown hide nor hair in millennia? denounce Satan? The only way I could be better is to give away my possessions, but in a selfish world that would leave me with nothing at all and I'd be out on the street begging.

But why do religious people need to source their morals from the ether? Religious people scare the FRAK out of me when they say shit like their lives only have meaning because of how they worship their lord, I'm like...

"Fucking what? You can not be a good person without Jesus in your heart? what dar faarkk???... Well you just keep on reading that bible of yours sonny jim because if you don't, then stay the fuck away from me because you are barely sane as it is!!"

Is this why they don't want science to keep knocking god down a notch on the fantastic scale by figuring out the universe? Is god/jesus the only thing keeping the entire christian population from running amok?

Imagine that woman, the DARK SIDED screamer, you know the one I'm talking about,

she's dark sided alright! consumed she is! if she didn't have Jesus in her heart I swear she should turn into a demon something like that frikking Balrog monster underneath Khazad-Dum in the Lord of the Rings

and would the world be fucked up with that thing running around without Jesus keeping that thing in line or what?

but of course they are lying when they say things like this, aren't they?... Can't be good without Jesus? what a load of crock, because we all know people can be good people without having a Jesus label pinned to their hearts, or any label for that matter.. I've no doubt that dark sided woman would be totally different if she didn't have a Jesus psychosis...

the religious fruitcake types just can't admit to themselves that they *can* be good without a god, they don't have the courage, they fear the unknown...

Fear is the path to the Dark Side
--Yoda

the unknown is exciting, and no, it's not always safe, but to fear the unknown is to deny human nature of being curious... we should all be calling ourselves "Earthlings", we should be digging up the asteroid belt right now with our remote controlled robots sending back iron ore, water, and whatever else we find out there.. Star Trek is set in the 2300s, at the rate we are going, it'll be the 23000s before we get off this rock...


There's a star man waiting in the sky,
he'd like to come and meet us
but he thinks he'll blow our minds
--David Bowie

Satan died on the cross for your sins... (religiohumour)

Did Satan die on the cross?

Why are christians *so* sure that this Jesus dude they have chosen to worship, isn't Satan himself?

After all.. the fundies keep saying that Satan is the great deceiver... they keep saying Satan apparently is *still* down here leading us all astray.. and yet when confronted with this possibility that Jesus is Satan, the fundy suddenly says "but the bible is *true*!!" .. "I've read the bible so it must be true" is something I've read as a "reason" for the bible to be true. Because they read it, held it in their hands, and read it, so it's real. it *must* be true.

i mean sure the general gist of what the bible was supposed to be about is probably still there but people take half lines of the bible to justify their bigotry - it *must* be true - so who is to say that Satan didn't pretend to be this Jesus guy and die on the cross to gain "sympathy for the devil" by pretending to be... the messiah?



And to piss god off even more, Satan showed god that he could be a better and kinder "god" giving an even better way for god's creatures to live. ie. "do unto others" as opposed to "an eye for an eye" ...

Have a think about this, the god of the old testament is a brutal, vengeful and jealous being, right?

Most christians, if not all, will claim their god of the old testament to be perfect, so what's with the back flip with Jesus and christianity?

The old testament god is the Jewish god right? And yet, that didn't work out very well did it, because god then had to send this Jesus guy along. But what perfect god would not give us the right religion in the first place? If this god was perfect we'd all be Jewish, right?

The old testament god, would seem to be a bit more like... Allah.. what do you think?

so what happened between the old testament god and the apparent resurrection of the old testament god with the rise of Islame?

Jesus...

and doesn't Jesus just seem to be such a massive departure from old testament things like "an eye for an eye", and things like stoning people to death for committing adultery? Sounds way out of character for a "perfect" being, as that's what a perfect god is supposed to be, it's perfect the way it is, it doesn't change, it doesn't need to change it's ways, it's perfect already.

So given a "perfect" god, there wasn't really any need for a "perfect" god to send his son Jesus was there?

It's Lucifer!

Lucifer was the "most perfect" of the angels, but god didn't like that Lucifer was so handsome, (stupid god for making him that way, hey?) so god sends Lucifer to go and watch over the earth and its people with a third of the angels so god doesn't have to look at his cherub handsome face anymore.

but perhaps while watching over us, Lucifer became attached to us people down here, and voiced his opinion that these humans were not so bad as to deserve being wiped out in the flood except for the handful few that still believed in the brutal god.

Maybe when Lucifer attacked heaven the first time he was attempting to stop god from sending another flood or similar disaster to wipe us all out again and was cast out to then become "Satan"?

was Satan the first being to consciously reject god because god was treating his creation like we were some sort of experiment or amusement?

did Satan fuck up god's plan by playing the part of Jesus Christ? did he "lead us astray" from the brutal god of the old testament that seems to be very much alive within Islam?

do we need to believe in god?

when i say "god" in this context, i mean like a religious god like Admiral "Allah" Ackbar, Jewhova or Cheezuz...

but are we finally leaving these traditions of the anachronistic and outdated biblical past, *in* the past and moving forward? or will we perpetually have progress retarded by religious morons forever?

These basic traditions of right and wrong were laid down centuries, even millennia ago, when things were more easily defined as black or white, right or wrong, and i'm not saying abandon those teachings completely, but we're a lot smarter than that these days, thanks to technology and understanding, we *can* safely change the course of our lives and extend them or make them tolerable and in some cases fix our problems completely.

but why is it that people need to believe in god, is it to make sure that the sun rises each day? because that's pretty much one of the few things that is ultimately out of our control, at least for the moment.

is it really that thing called "gravity" keeping you in place on the surface of the earth? instead of being flung off into oblivion even though we are hurtling through space at thousands of kilometers an hour?

is gravity the believers' reward for being a good person? meaning to say that if we sin too much, will god disable gravity and fling us off into space?

maybe the idea of god looking over most people's shoulders at all times is the only thing keeping the religidiots from being the brutal savages they too often accuse non-believers of being?

mostly written 27/feb/07, mostly...

It is our duty to think God out of existence....

a quote from the movie, Bad Boy Bubby....

You see, no one's going to help you Bubby, because there isn't anybody out there to do it. No one. We're all just complicated arrangements of atoms and subatomic particles - we don't live. But our atoms do move about in such a way as to give us identity and consciousness. We don't die; our atoms just rearrange themselves. There is no God. There can be no God; it's ridiculous to think in terms of a superior being. An inferior being, maybe, because we, we who don't even exist, we arrange our lives with more order and harmony than God ever arranged the earth. We measure; we plot; we create wonderful new things. We are the architects of our own existence. What a lunatic concept to bow down before a God who slaughters millions of innocent children, slowly and agonisingly starves them to death, beats them, tortures them, rejects them. What folly to even think that we should not insult such a God, damn him, think him out of existence. It is our duty to think God out of existence. It is our duty to insult him. Fuck you, God! Strike me down if you dare, you tyrant, you non-existent fraud! It is the duty of all human beings to think God out of existence. Then we have a future. Because then - and only then - do we take full responsibility for who we are. And that's what you must do, Bubby: think God out of existence; take responsibility for who you are. --the scientist, bad boy bubby

US christians: if gays are an abomination then so is your national symbol...

US christians: if gays are an abomination then so is your national symbol...

if gays are an abomination, as some christians so loudly and so proudly and so frequently claim, then using the same book from the bible where they get that gay idea in the first place, isn't the USA itself an abomination for having an Eagle as it's national symbol?

So if gays are some sort of abomination:

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

Then the eagle is also an abomination.

Which thing is more in the faces of US christians than the other? Their "National Symbol", or gays "being gay"?

In my entire life, I once saw two guys kissing, that was slightly disturbing, but it was the *only* time someone being gay was in my face with their gayness. So it would be fair to say that gays being in my face with their gayness isn't a problem for me where I live, however I've often seen images from proud Americans displaying their national pride by displaying a Bald Eagle often draped in the USA flag on myspaz.

And yet, the christian complaint about gays, that I've often heard, head over to myspaz and ask them if you need convincing, is that christians don't want to see "it", with "it" being gay people being gay, because according to the bible, it's an abomination to some dude called god...

oh what's that i hear? but *eating* eagles is the actual abomination not the *eagles* themselves?

so given that there is some leeway in this liberal biblical interpretation, should that not mean that gays aren't the abomination either, but rather it's the act of gay sex that's the abomination, right, and not gays themselves, right?? well?

According to the Book of Leviticus: If gays are an abomination for having gay abomination sex, as clearly demonstrated as being the belief of many christians on many occasions over on myspaz, then the USA must also be an abomination for openly and willingly choosing an abomination, the eagle, as it's national icon. I mean what good bible following christian would think otherwise?

so any US christian bitching about something that is supposedly in their faces all the time, surely doesn't know that their internationally recognised national symbol is also an abomination, as I seriously doubt that gays are in your face more than the Bald Eagle of your national emblem is in your face. So why make a big deal of gays defiling the sanctity of your precious bible when the exact same thing should be regarded towards the USA's national symbol?

and no doubt that no matter how many reasons bigoted people are shown that gays are human beings, those people will still think gays are an abomination, well then I say to them "so frakking what anyway?"

we heard you the first MILLION times, by the way, so put a sock in it already, if it's a sin, OK, that's nice mr and mrs christian, but, it's *your* sin, if you don't like it, then don't do it, don't look at it, don't speculate that some effeminate looking man is a homo, don't speculate that some butch looking woman is a dyke, just get the frack over it and mind your Sweet Jesus lovin' business..

if it's really a sin and you really are correct in your beliefs, and gays and non-believers really are going to hell, then that's between us heathens and this Jesus/god you keep going on about who supposedly loves us all, so it's NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS *anyway* regardless of how you've twisted your religion to justify your hatred and bigotry ...

oh what's that i hear? You don't want the gays to go to hell, meaning to say they should stop being gay, right? We non-believers heard you, the gays heard you too, we're all going to burn in hell for eternity, so why do you make everyone elses lives hell in *this* life as well by constantly damning non-believers to hell and excluding non-believers from the human race?

See, that's the offensive thing, we non-believers, gay or not, see christians damning gays and non-believers arbitrarily to hell as offensive, not because your religion says so, the problem we have is that it is *YOU* that is not being a part of the human race for damning us to hell, *YOU* do not want to get along with everyone else, *YOU* are being rude and that has nothing at all to do with your fucked up religion from our point of view anyway.. but if that's what your religion says, then keep it to yourself, cunt face....

Just because you invoke the name Jesus, it doesn't give you the right to be a fucking arsehole, regardless of whether you are right or not

Jesus loves everyone... (mincing words)

"Jesus loves everyone" ... really???

could have fooled me, because going by the gaggle of belligerent christians that are on the internet, it's pretty obvious to me that the phrase "Jesus loves everyone" is in fact, a heap of bullshit...

It's bullshit because it seems that there is a catch to the meaning of that phrase...

Talk about "mincing words", because when you inquire as to what "everyone" actually means in the "Jesus loves everyone" mantra, it turns out that it's "Jesus loves everyone... except gays, muslims, atheists, Hindus, blah blah blah blah blah" or to keep a long list short, "Jesus loves everyone except those who don't follow christianity".

or rather - their own particular version of christianity


But wait... it seems that a lot of christians have got the idea that Jesus will love them, *if* they love Jesus first...

that sounds like an ultimatum or a threat, does it not?

That is hardly the unconditional love of Jesus that I was taught about! You don't *decide* to love someone because of some arbitrary thing they say or do. Like you don't get to love someone on the condition that they love you first, what sort of fucked up situation is that?

He that-eth believeth in me-eth shallest be-eth oft thou something

I mean, the bible does say

Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.--KJV

What happens to people like me that don't believe, but have been baptised already? again, christinsanity doesn't cater for everyone - but yes - "he that does not believe" shall be damned... now it doesn't say exactly what being damned is about but...

but what does that matter?

It doesn't matter because I don't believe in *whatever* this christian damnation is all about (which does make me wonder why i write these things), so if you think I should be damned for not believing in one of many gods, then fuck you too buddy!

and that's funny too isn't it?

because a christian can tell you that you're going to hell on a whim.

You don't know me, and yet this one arbitrary thing makes me bound for hell?

again, fuck you, because belief, like love, is not something that can be instantly felt or bestowed, at least not without hard concrete evidence. How do these believers expect the non-believer to suddenly accept Jesus into their heart's in the space of fifteen seconds?

No.. faith doesn't work like that.. Just because the believer spent the last twenty years sucking up to Jesus and god it does not mean that that two decades of belief will somehow transfer over to me in the space of a minute.

I don't believe in Jesus so I'm going to hell

I've often been told "you need to believe in Jesus" by heaps of people online... "but, why is that?", I ask ... "so you can be saved" ... "saved? what do i need to be saved from?"... "from hell!" ... "So if I don't believe in this Geebus, I'm going to hell?" .. "yes! that's it!"

hrrmmm? ok! ... i won't mention that if i don't believe in Jesus in the first place then this hell that I am bound for, is also not being believed in on my part, so this threat, is an empty threat.

if someone walked up to you and said

"you need to vote for such and such" or "vote for such and such!"

and you respond

"oh no thanks, I'm already voting for so and so"

or perhaps you don't want to talk to them *at*all* about politics, not many people do, so you even say

"uhmm... sorry, but no thanks, I'm not into politics" or "i don't vote" or "I don't care"

or whatever it is that you politely say to them to make them go away...

now.. what would you do if that person then told you to

GO TO HELL?

I, personally, would say "go fuck yourself!" and would be inclined to contact the office of this politician and demand to know why I was just insulted on the street, out of the blue, while i was minding my own business by one of his/her campaigners...

Believing in Jesus is not a license to be an arsehole

now, apply that situation to the christian... as a non-believer in the sky daddy god creature, if some christian walks up to me and says that I need Jesus in my life and that if I reject him, I'm going to an eternal burning lava-lamp lake of fire in hell or something, well, I am *also* inclined to tell that person to go fuck themselves

The reason being is that, in actual fact, when most christians tell me i need to believe in Jesus they are actually making a threat,

saying that I "need to believe in something or else" is a FUCKING THREAT...

if christians don't realise they are making a threat, then that is not my problem that they are so deluded as to have their religion so deeply ingrained into their fucked up little minds that they don't even notice that they are making a threat while trying to spread the word and "love" of Jesus...

just because you mention Jesus, it does NOT mean that you get to say whatever the fuck you want... In fact, telling someone your opinion about anything and then demanding that someone needs to share that opinion as well,

that's just plain fucking rude...

and besides ... I love LAVA LAMPS!!

most written ... 2009-05-07 .... mostly ...

why am I so mean to fundys? (religidiotism)

I wrote a blog similar to this recently but this blog was mostly written before that, 17th April 2009, mostly... but I feel it worthy to repeat, (not sure if i posted the original anyway) because there are just so many chrischuns I've seen in blogs and in the comments going off making threats at each other and name calling and threatening to sue each other in the last few months or so... but... it's all pathetic.. they insult you with "you're a poo poo head!" .. and well... I always read intent into what people are saying, it takes a while to gauge a person but... chrischuns jump straight in there and go beyond merely "gauging" some one and making bold faced assumptions... fuckers...

no seriously, I was called a poo poo head... by the "mighty" looney toon of all people, I wish i was slightly more vindictive so I would have screen shotted it.. What was he trying to insult me? or make me die of laughter?

LANGUAGE WARNING by the way... and no i don't recommend this tactic unless you're prepared to have one foot on the dark side at times.... but I've been there and come back a dozen times and got the t-shirt :-D

so.....



why am I so mean to fundys?



short answer:

it works, there is nothing like the ensuing silence from someone who insults you, whom you've just told to

"fuck off cunt!!!!"

I often am *left*alone* even though the blog i've commented on has turned into a war zone, with insults and what not flying left right and centre.. Chrischuns have no comeback to strong language and if they do it's always a lame "don't be so vulgar" .. that's when you swear again and say... "well if u didn't fucking insult me in the first fucking place i fucking wouldn't be fucking insulting you now! so.. again.. FUCK YOU!"



un-short answer:

could it be I don't get along with people who don't agree with my opinion about god?

well *that* would be hard, because my opinion is an un-opinion.. ask me on the spot what I think about the existence of god and I'll make up something... it's not something I contemplate seriously, but *un*seriously on the other hand.. If you think i take god seriously, you are sorely mistaken.

Why should I take god seriously? I can't speak for other religions, but it seems to me that the vast majority of chrischuns don't take god seriously either!

Thus it could be because their opinion is so full of utter godly shit and utter godly lies that a ten year old could dissect their story to bits! And have you noticed that regardless of what you say to them and how often you put these fundies back into their little corner, they keep going on with their bullshit?

This is the basis of knowledge and learning:

When someone points out a flaw in my logic or disagrees with something i have said, it's never rejected outright, *ever*. If it seems I do, then i've probably thought about the concept before, so I already had an answer, either that or i am fucking around with the person to amuse myself! LOL! nah, I don't do that... much.... but more likely I am reserving my opinion until I actually have a solid opinion (while in the meantime fucking around with them to stall)

But that's just it.. no-one can know anything about god what-so-ever. Whatever someone knows about god, it's an opinion... if someone knows something about god and you believe them, then you have been fooled.

"oh i was in a car accident and I nearly died so I called out to Jesus and I was saved!"

sure you can appeal to someone's emotions and convince them you had an "experience" with Jesus / god, but you are merely telling a story that may seem real to you, but we all have experienced dreams that seemed real, right?

so how do we know these people aren't having some panic induced hallucination as the fireman pulled them out of their burning car or whatever the experience is that they "claim" is what made them come to god / Jesus?

The point is, that I always take away what people say, and adjust my angle the next time around, possibly so the blow isn't as shocking to the person the next time around.

But some people don't deserve such respect, and pretty much every fundy, I will give a chance, even over really stupid things, I make up stupid things all the time, so I am over qualified to talk to them in that regard...

I do feel bad... sometimes...

i do honestly feel bad insulting people, for whatever reason, i sometimes feel bad for days after calling someone a "cunt" - honestly i do - i just don't like to be mean... but if it's deserved i'll have a go at them, and a lot of them *do* deserve it... and these aren't petty things that I get up people over..

* anyone attempting to goad people onto suicide

* anyone advocating violence towards some arbitrary group of people coz they are different

* anyone corrupting science with their unscientific *OPINIONS*

* anyone supporting these people and their positions, in spite of their actions

and frankly too many people around this myspaz world find it too easy to fall into each of those groups. I'm sure there are other things I can think up.

for example, if you think space is a fucking ocean of liquid hydrogen, then you better be ready to answer about a hundred thousand million questions about your "theory". Especially idiotic and *RETARDED* (no offence to anyone who actually is physically or mentally challenged) - especially retarded is when dumbarse sheeple applaud these stories and *agree* with some shit that was made up based on some story told to goat herders from 3000 years ago... in that regard, to sum up my attitude in one phrase...

the Dark Ages will not return, not on my watch.

think about it...

and while my patience has become shortened of late and i've been super mean...... I'm not any more mean to them than they are mean to me (us)... think about it...

Imagine somebody walks up to you and says "You need to believe in Jesus or else you're going to hell"... i'm sure that's happened a few times when I was younger (when I sort of was christian)

but let's just do the opposite thing from an sciency point of view, shall we?

"If you don't believe in scientific facts then when you die your soul will be suspended on the event horizon of a black-hole where you can get a bird's eye view of the awesomeness of nature as your soul is slowly torn apart by the singularity's gravitational tidal forces over a few million years as your soul slowly spirals into the black-hole along with all the other evil souls who REJECTED science and sensibility and reality, so here it is, the ultimate torture you can be given in this universe, you get to spend aeons on the event horizon of a black hole as punishment, and once you're inside the singularity, you will be crushed to death until that black hole burns itself out after a few trillion years.. no it's not quite the eternity christians lay claim to but you'll be able to see it from there as you stare into the abyss as it stares back at you for REJECTING SCIENCE"

It's a bit over worded but, I'll work on shortening it later. (yes I paraphrased Nietzsche)

so no, when somebody walks up to you and says or casually informs you on these social networks that you need to do this or such and such will happen, then that's a *threat*..

an empty threat at that if they are talking about religion....

and you know, it's kind of like when we were kids, say about eight or nine, when we'd say "my father will beat you up" as some sort of threat to deter our would-be beater-upperers from beating us up...

"oh yeah! my dad can beat your dad *any* day!!" ... "oh yeah!!! my dad killed twenty million Nazis" ... "ohhhh yeeeeah... there's only a billion chinese today instead of two billion because *my* dad killed the other billion..." ... (well, perhaps we were a little less, uhmm, genocidal, with our threats back then?)

"Jesus loves you!"
"sure, great!"
"but Jesus *does* love you!! why do you reject his love?!?" ..
"what? I don't reject Jesus! fuck you!!"
"but but why are you being so HOSTILE?!?!"
"because you NEVER fucking asked if believed in Jesus in the first place, you assuming piece of shit!! I'm CATHOLIC, NOW FUCK OFF BEFORE I GET VATICAN ON YOUR ARSE!!!!"
"oh!?! a Catholic!?! that explains it, Catholics aren't real christians"
"OH!! IT IS *ON* NOW BITCH!"


actually no i wouldn't do that in real life, i'd be far more sarcastic.... but probably I'd be so lost in my own little world too much to let somebody annoy me.. actually I don't remember the last time someone shoved their religion in my face. I think logic ruled from a very young age.

"Hello Young Mister! Do you read the bible?"
"Yeah, I got up to that Noah bit with the ark... and uhmmm DANG! That Jesus came up with some tall tales!"
"No actually that was Moses, Moses wrote the story about Noah's Ark in the bible.."
"oh? then which bit of the bible did Jesus write?"
"Uhmm.. none of it actually, his disciples wrote what Jesus said for most of it.."
"most of it? how do you know it was the disciples who wrote the bible?"
"young man, you ask too many questions"


well ? .... doesn't it annoy you when somebody insists that you get a *new* mobile phone service, changing your network provider but you don't even have a mobile phone in the first place?

But *so*fucking*what* if Jesus loves me? if he needs me to believe in him or else i go to hell then fundys really have a FUCKED up idea of what constitutes "love" ...

THREATS ARE NOT LOVE,
FEAR IS NOT LOVE

If that's love - then keep your filthy bigoted Jesus who only loves people who just happened to be born in a christian dominated country...

Jesus loves everyone? what a joke.. the majority of christians are descended from people who were *forced* to "love" Jesus... in fact it's quite probable that 99% of christians didn't choose their religion at all, it just happened to be what was lying around when they were born....

There are at least four billion people who don't believe in Jesus as their saviour, I think I'll be taking my chances that this christian hateful god does not exist, seeing how the MAJORITY of people don't believe in it and ironically, the stupid thing is, the people who *do* believe, have got it soooo wrong...

because, you see, I've learnt something since being here in the fucking dark ages ressurection on myspaz with this new batch of religious morons (new from my point of view that is, as i thought religidiosity disappeared when people grew up and they outgrew religion, like Santa Clause et al)

the dark ages still linger, the majority of which seem to be mostly located in the USA.

But I will admit that the worst fundie I've encountered was Australian, but that was just one extreme nut case, who is probably in prison now, or dead, or worse. The USA has the numbers. in fact I think the USA has the largest non-catholic christian population. about 200 million non-catholic christians is a fair chunk of all the non-catholics, that's close to 20% of all non-catholic christians.

and what i've learnt being here on myspaz, is exactly what i used to make fun of and belittle back in the 80s, except the fun I poked was at stories of what the religidiots do and believe. I get to myspaz and those stories, are actually true. I've been pointing out the flaws in "belief" for decades, but only to myself before this myspaz tragedy...

People telling me I need to read the bible, are simply annoying....

you need to read the bible... here we go again, NO I WON'T - NOW FUCK OFF HOME

but people must think i'm really mean, with all the cunt this fuck that shit this... and I get that people might think i am mean...but ... but the thing is... I am deliberately mean to make a point, and I am just fine with that.

Many many things I say are simply to deceive people into saying the truth, or when they make assumptions, I run with their assumption, and at the last moment, make my point.... many conversations, just end like that... like a cat that finally gets bored of tormenting some poor little mouse and then puts it out of its misery... and then delivering it to their masters as some sort of "hey! u! u sez iz not du nuffin, wot dis be den?"

the suck-full thing is that on the internet, when you defeat someone categorically and embarrass them so badly that they delete their accounts and what not, (what a fucking boo hoo story i just thought of) they just come back a few months later.....

666 to the power of 666... (evilism)

666 to the power of 666

271 541 759 288 712 855 826 087 455 170 021 786 027 838 521 065 016 987 178 223 004 696 578 367 534 784 603 688 013 417 861 287 317 081 040 369 394 618 136 925 376 390 776 734 814 142 359 269 954 981 438 585 309 058 005 792 575 777 286 547 766 974 032 030 622 709 400 636 076 630 337 695 472 357 344 193 883 258 618 859 601 636 747 029 392 705 682 480 231 361 672 383 305 593 666 601 292 142 319 787 714 400 226 324 514 478 109 346 054 646 257 736 974 663 071 867 802 948 304 106 037 331 337 648 245 560 659 985 653 200 111 117 423 345 076 820 028 856 039 271 697 478 224 170 953 365 430 292 002 540 313 209 626 985 629 026 842 226 720 098 365 723 596 644 589 192 169 647 865 964 771 608 482 657 447 815 673 166 354 263 425 761 875 056 075 351 412 658 924 918 167 675 222 004 537 186 685 221 728 745 459 415 025 183 608 088 786 527 610 184 833 513 790 116 757 654 287 910 149 888 366 373 032 818 151 480 800 952 809 005 528 561 125 366 155 648 578 375 191 671 516 389 923 637 068 612 545 908 928 591 509 856 524 061 271 778 433 035 659 907 099 937 099 027 157 651 275 866 007 333 020 305 683 709 128 393 004 786 162 164 158 503 634 595 479 326 165 593 895 852 888 778 701 548 580 946 457 862 112 993 933 286 295 883 107 151 254 097 505 408 450 243 425 177 831 253 342 079 786 634 358 573 748 818 965 808 816 613 570 280 697 021 834 844 832 652 027 344 442 640 175 038 787 842 736 503 395 375 213 097 324 598 270 999 348 133 857 903 750 526 167 553 966 478 796 074 667 482 527 451 958 013 385 703 152 678 559 571 864 116 226 566 032 365 908 052 857 936 209 172 690 002 387 460 244 899 885 396 862 691 793 991 738 773 357 078 062 613 492 707 085 820 369 352 745 180 327 438 422 889 555 512 909 451 485 998 615 969 501 470 146 470 402 649 889 349 212 006 778 573 387 292 851 099 036 349 527 469 520 676 832 881 968 856 724 904 460 084 994 793 476 708 042 987 577 163 193 492 415 961 223 417 659 787 157 202 545 333 783 334 777 830 218 014 905 077 675 699 766 649 698 676 892 834 587 204 825 046 787 698 439 067 298 022 983 708 693 783 338 395 078 457 245 428 904 542 657 506 873 425 865 596 233 432 542 160 135 568 886 423 752 229 229 562 648 133 533 088 569 487 318 295 430 287 726 946 641 649 809 356 760 113 688 980 954 104 973 336 888 392 785 547 924 780 056 268 147 894 207 107 543 052 594 542 403 021 659 363 655 062 233 931 413 319 416 693 234 844 064 515 946 449 947 016 545 969 427 094 539 246 444 208 735 559 647 539 174 640 853 111 520 180 776 757 872 042 024 272 504 000 286 839 563 050 880 598 016

or more briefly, about 2.71 x 10 to the power of 1880



Disclaimer: if you read the number, you will release Satan.. oh, maybe I should have put that before the number?

ps. i know what you are thinking, and no... there was no point.... to this

Mathew Chapter 5

RELIGION

oh!?!? so blessed are the meek wasn't from Monty Python?

Mathew Chapter 5 Mat 5:1 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: Mat 5:2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying, Mat 5:3 Blessed [are] the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Mat 5:4 Blessed [are] they that mourn: for they shall be comforted. Mat 5:5 Blessed [are] the meek: for they shall inherit the earth. Mat 5:6 Blessed [are] they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. Mat 5:7 Blessed [are] the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Mat 5:8 Blessed [are] the pure in heart: for they shall see God. Mat 5:9 Blessed [are] the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. Mat 5:10 Blessed [are] they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Mat 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you. Mat 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. Mat 5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Mat 5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. Mat 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed [the righteousness] of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Mat 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: Mat 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire. Mat 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee; Mat 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift. Mat 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison. Mat 5:26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing. Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell. Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell. Mat 5:31 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. Mat 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: Mat 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Mat 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. Mat 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. Mat 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil. Mat 5:38 Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: Mat 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. Mat 5:40 And if any man will sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have [thy] cloke also. Mat 5:41 And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Mat 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away. Mat 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; Mat 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. Mat 5:46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? Mat 5:47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more [than others]? do not even the publicans so? Mat 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Enemy of God (mincing words)

Mincing Words - Enemy of God

Here is another example of religion changing the meaning of words...

as a non-believer, if somebody used the phrase "Enemy of God" in reference to me, well.... them there's fighting words!!

If someone calls me an enemy of god I would turn around and say "Well Bring it on, bish!!!!".. well, maybe in real life i wouldn't but, i'd certainly raise an eyebrow and ask the person to explain themselves... but on the internet though, HELL YES... bring it, come on! bring it BISH! ..

I've already been through the whole explaining this to the fundies - they didn't care to understand that they were being hostile... but the rare few of them will turn around and say..

"oh NO!! I don't mean that makes you *my* enemy, it just means you're an enemy of god!!"

oooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!! i get it now... NOT! .... you change the meaning of words and we are supposed to understand? can you say arrogance?

so OK.. let's look at the phrase "Enemy of God"

believers who use that phrase, should take very special note of all this, not that they would, as it's obvious that most who would use the term "Enemy of God" don't really care to know what they are actually saying. It's "just" something they say, apparently.. so it's all good to them...

Well, that's just fucking unacceptable, using the term "you are an enemy of god" is a *THREAT*, and it is telling the person being threatened, to believe in god or else you are it's enemy.

Well that's what it says to me... Well, why else am I an enemy? I don't believe in your god so that makes me it's enemy?

So to the mincing of the phrase - "Enemy of God" - in the context of reality, some points to consider.....

* since when does god have an enemy that is some mere mortal being? what happened to the "all powerful" god? It's hardly fair that god make an enemy of me, what am i going to do to destroy god? oh wait... don't i have to believe in god in order to not believe in him.. it's what atheists do all day

"I believe in god... NOT! Psyche!! bahahhahah... hey god? you up there? oh that's right! you aren't!!! bahahahaha... I believe in god... not not NOT!! hahahahaha... bahahha.. triple negative... PSYCHE!!!"

* what difference does it make if my little self doesn't believe in god? god is an idea, so isn't it better that people don't mention their god to me? in case i destroy that idea in my head by not believing? isn't that more painful for god? to have the idea of god go into my brain, then get spat out as some weird arse idea, and then be forgotten until the next time someone mentions it and I repeat that process, just for the fun of it... you know, like a cat, when it catches a mouse.. how it lets it go... then pounces again, lets it go, stomps it again, lets it go, etc etc... generally taunting the mouse to death...

* Am I an enemy *because* I don't praise god, or that I don't acknowledge it's existence at all? or that I mock god's existence? or is it that i just don't care?

* Why does god need to have his ego inflated by people praising him? It's a bit of a stretch to think that god has an ego in the first place. If god had an ego, that would explain a lot of things but then again, ego's are supposed to be mortal things... so... hmm..

* Does god get his "power" from being praised and non-believers are a cancer sapping the life out of him by spreading their non-belief, thus if more and more people don't praise him then eventually there will be nobody to praise him, so he will then disappear?

hmmmm... ?

What believers don't seem to take note of, (ah, look the point has arrived) is how a non-believer might perceive what the believer says, even seemingly innocuous little phrases.

When a believer talks about "god" and what this god likes and what god does not like or god's wishes or whatever - the non-believer will just regard what the believer is saying as if they are talking about *themselves*.

What is this god to the non-believer? It is an IDEA or more accurately an OPINION.

Now I am all for everyone having their opinion, but when you disagree with me, you don't get to fucking challenge me to admit somehow that i am wrong and that you are indeed correct because this "opinion" of yours somehow supersedes or outranks my opinion, if that's who you think you are then don't bother speaking to me.

Telling me I need to believe in Jesus is not any different to me being told I need to change telephone companies for my long distance calls. This is called, being RUDE.

So when the non-believer is told that they "need" to do something in relation to their beliefs, it's like being told "you need to give me all your money and I won't be giving you anything in return."

Those infamous Westboro idiots and their "GOD HATES FAGS" placards, well to me that placard actually is saying "WE HATE FAGS" or "GOD HATES FAGS BECAUSE WE SAY SO"

So call me an enemy of god if you want, but to me, this god is only in the mind of the believer, so a believer is calling me an enemy of this 'god' idea, so being called an "Enemy of God", at least to the non-believer, is actually saying to that non-believer that they are an enemy of the believer's opinion and if you are an enemy to somebody's beliefs and opinions, eg. what they feel is right, then are you not an enemy of that person as well?

and what's that? that's fucking rude.. and that has nothing to do with god or religion. it's fucking rude being told I am enemy of god for just being here.

that's no different to some scientist saying that you're a piece of shit infidel scum for not concurring with his scientific findings...

an ode to a creationist... which inspired the above rant...

fuck you - i don't hate your god - there is no such thing - what a fucking waste of time it is to hate this god of yours - no, what I hate is the threats you fucked up christians keep making like it's your god given mission to *be* fucking stupid pricks but then you cry BOO fucking HOO when people call you out on it... well FUCK YOU

that video promotes violence - end of fucking story

christianity is supposed to be about peace and understanding - calling non-believers enemies of this god of yours is bullshit - this god of yours ONLY exists in your mind - making us enemies of YOUR god delusion

we are enemies of a FIGMENT of your own imagination

so again fuck you, see if you can figure that one out


mostly written 3rd April 2009, mostly...

The Evil Atheist... confessions of a minion of Satan

We non-believers have no morals, we can't possibly have morals! We don't *believe* in anything *whatsoever*!

We walk around all day just saying

"HEY GOD!! SMITE ME!!"

"GO ON!! I DARE YOU!!! SMITE ME DOWN OH LORD IN THE SKY!!"

"smite away, *oh* 'LORD'.... smite, smite smite smite smite smitity smite smiiiiiite!!!"

"smite! smite me now!!"

hmmm..... don't we? You know you do, come on and be PROUD!! Show a BIT of Atheist PRIDE!! It's *all* we think about, "hey look at the trees, god didn't do that! he doesn't exist! I'm sprang from a puddle of goo!! Billions of years ago.

"There is no god, nope is no is no is no god, larddee dee lardddee dah. there is no god, there is no god, none at all!" all day! every day of the year!!

All of us non-believers, we are are evil, vile creatures, because we don't believe in GOD, BLASPHEMEEEEEY!!! we are the scum of the earth, we are the scum of the galaxy, we are scum of the universe! we FEED on the glory of being sent to hell along with SATAN... OUR MASTER!!!

there is no basis for regarding our opinion in any regard whatsoever, as it means nothing.. nothing at all...

so that we are easily identifiable, we should wear NEON signs above our heads at all times saying...

everything we say contradicts scripture of the LORD because nothing we say is based in any way, shape, or form of the "reality" that is the TRUTH because we don't believe in the TRUTH!

if a non-believer says, the sky is blue, it is an abomination, it is a lie, it is a blasphemy. if we say that the sun will rise tomorrow, it's another abomination, more blasphemy, another lie!!

Everything a non-believer says is a blasphemy, because whatever it is that is said by the non-believer, it has no foundation in reality, none what so ever, so everything a non-believer says is a lie!!!

gravity! LIES! evolution! LIES! science! LIES LIES LIES! ALL LIES!!

Because NO non-believer is able to speak even an inkling of truth, so everything the non-believer says or even merely implies, it should be disregarded as irrelevant and blasphemous nonsense! PURE NONSENSE!!

Non-believers walk around all day severed from their belief in the ALMIGHTY,

scheming against the ALMIGHTY, always in collusion with our lord and master Satan,

listening to his every whim, his every thought and enacting on all of those evil things, just to make the believers squirm and writhe and have their very souls eroded by the sheer audacity of there being even one non-believer, let alone an ever burgeoning, swelling number of non-believers, incrementing in number, by lots of six hundred and sixty six... bahahahahh

things like, an atheist drinking water, a blasphemy! water is sanctified and is only for the *believers* to drink

walking to work! more blasphemy as atheists should never show their faces to the sun, it's an abomination!!

eating a ham sandwich, more blasphemy as the LORD made it so that only the righteous should partake of sustenance to perpetuate their lives!!!

a non-believer breathing oxygen, more blasphemy! an abomination!!



believers need to have the very air they breathe consecrated because of the mere blasphemous abomination of the notion, of the remotest *possibility* that non-believers once had even one molecule of that air in their rotting-with-evil lungs, that those molecules of air were once entrapped in direct contact with the blood of the unholy scum of the universe, the non-believer, the minion of Satan, the blasphemy of the blasphemies, The Evil Atheist.

every frikking abomination in the book....

Blue Letter Bible makes this stuff so easy to do.. see reference link down the bottom

obviously these are all taken out of context so go read the verses in context if they don't make sense... hmmm... the irony of that statement, *none* of it makes sense if people are going to prop up their hatred with this stuff...

apparently it's an abomination to fucking swear, ooops

Genesis 43:32 KJV "And they set on for him by himself, and for them by themselves, and for the Egyptians, which did eat with him, by themselves: because the Egyptians might not eat bread with the Hebrews; for that [is] an abomination unto the Egyptians." Genesis 46:34 KJV "That ye shall say, Thy servants' trade hath been about cattle from our youth even until now, both we, [and] also our fathers: that ye may dwell in the land of Goshen; for every shepherd [is] an abomination unto the Egyptians." Exodus 8:26 KJV "And Moses said, It is not meet so to do; for we shall sacrifice the abomination of the Egyptians to the LORD our God: lo, shall we sacrifice the abomination of the Egyptians before their eyes, and will they not stone us?" Leviticus 7:18 KJV "And if [any] of the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings be eaten at all on the third day, it shall not be accepted, neither shall it be imputed unto him that offereth it: it shall be an abomination, and the soul that eateth of it shall bear his iniquity." Leviticus 11:10 KJV "And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which [is] in the waters, they [shall be] an abomination unto you:" Leviticus 11:11 KJV "They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination." Leviticus 11:12 KJV "Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that [shall be] an abomination unto you." Leviticus 11:13 KJV "And these [are they which] ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they [are] an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray," Leviticus 11:20 KJV "All fowls that creep, going upon [all] four, [shall be] an abomination unto you." Leviticus 11:23 KJV "But all [other] flying creeping things, which have four feet, [shall be] an abomination unto you." Leviticus 11:41 KJV "And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth [shall be] an abomination; it shall not be eaten." Leviticus 11:42 KJV "Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon [all] four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat; for they [are] an abomination." Leviticus 18:22 KJV "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination." Leviticus 20:13 KJV "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them." Deuteronomy 7:25 KJV "The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold [that is] on them, nor take [it] unto thee, lest thou be snared therein: for it [is] an abomination to the LORD thy God." Deuteronomy 7:26 KJV "Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: [but] thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it [is] a cursed thing." Deuteronomy 12:31 KJV "Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods." Deuteronomy 13:14 KJV "Then shalt thou enquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, [if it be] truth, [and] the thing certain, [that] such abomination is wrought among you;" Deuteronomy 17:1 KJV "Thou shalt not sacrifice unto the LORD thy God [any] bullock, or sheep, wherein is blemish, [or] any evilfavouredness: for that [is] an abomination unto the LORD thy God." Deuteronomy 17:4 KJV "And it be told thee, and thou hast heard [of it], and enquired diligently, and, behold, [it be] true, [and] the thing certain, [that] such abomination is wrought in Israel:" Deuteronomy 18:12 KJV "For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee." Deuteronomy 22:5 KJV "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God." Deuteronomy 23:18 KJV "Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God." Deuteronomy 24:4 KJV "Her former husband, which sent her away, may not take her again to be his wife, after that she is defiled; for that [is] abomination before the LORD: and thou shalt not cause the land to sin, which the LORD thy God giveth thee [for] an inheritance." Deuteronomy 25:16 KJV "For all that do such things, [and] all that do unrighteously, [are] an abomination unto the LORD thy God." Deuteronomy 27:15 KJV "Cursed [be] the man that maketh [any] graven or molten image, an abomination unto the LORD, the work of the hands of the craftsman, and putteth [it] in [a] secret [place]. And all the people shall answer and say, Amen." 1 Samuel 13:4 KJV "And all Israel heard say [that] Saul had smitten a garrison of the Philistines, and [that] Israel also was had in abomination with the Philistines. And the people were called together after Saul to Gilgal." 1 Kings 11:5 KJV "For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites." 1 Kings 11:7 KJV "Then did Solomon build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that [is] before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon." 2 Kings 23:13 KJV "And the high places that [were] before Jerusalem, which [were] on the right hand of the mount of corruption, which Solomon the king of Israel had builded for Ashtoreth the abomination of the Zidonians, and for Chemosh the abomination of the Moabites, and for Milcom the abomination of the children of Ammon, did the king defile." Psalms 88:8 KJV "Thou hast put away mine acquaintance far from me; thou hast made me an abomination unto them: [I am] shut up, and I cannot come forth." Proverbs 3:32 KJV "For the froward [is] abomination to the LORD: but his secret [is] with the righteous." Proverbs 6:16 KJV "These six [things] doth the LORD hate: yea, seven [are] an abomination unto him:" Proverbs 8:7 KJV "For my mouth shall speak truth; and wickedness [is] an abomination to my lips." Proverbs 11:1 KJV "A false balance [is] abomination to the LORD: but a just weight [is] his delight." Proverbs 11:20 KJV "They that are of a froward heart [are] abomination to the LORD: but [such as are] upright in [their] way [are] his delight." Proverbs 12:22 KJV "Lying lips [are] abomination to the LORD: but they that deal truly [are] his delight." Proverbs 13:19 KJV "The desire accomplished is sweet to the soul: but [it is] abomination to fools to depart from evil." Proverbs 15:8 KJV "The sacrifice of the wicked [is] an abomination to the LORD: but the prayer of the upright [is] his delight." Proverbs 15:9 KJV "The way of the wicked [is] an abomination unto the LORD: but he loveth him that followeth after righteousness." Proverbs 15:26 KJV "The thoughts of the wicked [are] an abomination to the LORD: but [the words] of the pure [are] pleasant words." Proverbs 16:5 KJV "Every one [that is] proud in heart [is] an abomination to the LORD: [though] hand [join] in hand, he shall not be unpunished." Proverbs 16:12 KJV "[It is] an abomination to kings to commit wickedness: for the throne is established by righteousness." Proverbs 17:15 KJV "He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both [are] abomination to the LORD." Proverbs 20:10 KJV "Divers weights, [and] divers measures, both of them [are] alike abomination to the LORD." Proverbs 20:23 KJV "Divers weights [are] an abomination unto the LORD; and a false balance [is] not good." Proverbs 21:27 KJV "The sacrifice of the wicked [is] abomination: how much more, [when] he bringeth it with a wicked mind?" Proverbs 24:9 KJV "The thought of foolishness [is] sin: and the scorner [is] an abomination to men." Proverbs 28:9 KJV "He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer [shall be] abomination." Proverbs 29:27 KJV "An unjust man [is] an abomination to the just: and [he that is] upright in the way [is] abomination to the wicked." Isaiah 1:13 KJV "Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; [it is] iniquity, even the solemn meeting." Isaiah 41:24 KJV "Behold, ye [are] of nothing, and your work of nought: an abomination [is he that] chooseth you." Isaiah 44:19 KJV "And none considereth in his heart, neither [is there] knowledge nor understanding to say, I have burned part of it in the fire; yea, also I have baked bread upon the coals thereof; I have roasted flesh, and eaten [it]: and shall I make the residue thereof an abomination? shall I fall down to the stock of a tree?" Isaiah 66:17 KJV "They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD." Jeremiah 2:7 KJV "And I brought you into a plentiful country, to eat the fruit thereof and the goodness thereof; but when ye entered, ye defiled my land, and made mine heritage an abomination." Jeremiah 6:15 KJV "Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time [that] I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD." Jeremiah 8:12 KJV "Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore shall they fall among them that fall: in the time of their visitation they shall be cast down, saith the LORD." Jeremiah 32:35 KJV "And they built the high places of Baal, which [are] in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through [the fire] unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin." Ezekiel 16:50 KJV "And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw [good]." Ezekiel 18:12 KJV "Hath oppressed the poor and needy, hath spoiled by violence, hath not restored the pledge, and hath lifted up his eyes to the idols, hath committed abomination," Ezekiel 22:11 KJV "And one hath committed abomination with his neighbour's wife; and another hath lewdly defiled his daughter in law; and another in thee hath humbled his sister, his father's daughter." Ezekiel 33:26 KJV "Ye stand upon your sword, ye work abomination, and ye defile every one his neighbour's wife: and shall ye possess the land?" Daniel 11:31 KJV "And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily [sacrifice], and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate." Daniel 12:11 KJV "And from the time [that] the daily [sacrifice] shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, [there shall be] a thousand two hundred and ninety days." Malichi 2:11 KJV "Judah hath dealt treacherously, and an abomination is committed in Israel and in Jerusalem; for Judah hath profaned the holiness of the LORD which he loved, and hath married the daughter of a strange god." Mathew 24:15 KJV "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)" Mark 13:14 KJV "But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:" Luke 16:15 KJV "And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God." Revelation 21:27 KJV "And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life."

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religious excuses for hating gays.... (offensive-religio-rant-humour)

religion, dividing the world, again still....

what's the most likely religious reason excuse as to why religious people hate gays?

I mean it says in the bible in that Leviticus bit:

Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.

and then again, but with more vigilanteeism

Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

Frankly I don't see why the male chauvinists haven't latched onto these ones, I mean people are always interpreting the bible however the frack they want and getting away with it, so how about this interpretation of Lev 18:22?

Leviticus 18:22 Do not tell lies to your fellow men (like how you tell lies to women) as it is uncool!

or how about this play on words of Leviticus 20:13?


Leviticus 20:13 If a man fucks another man, once he has already fucked a woman, then both that woman and that man shall be put to death!

So, if you 'lay' with a man the same way you 'lay' with a woman, doesn't that imply that you have had to have had already been 'laid' by the woman in the first place. So that implies to me that it's OK to be gay, as long as you aren't switching sides later on!! LOL! urrr... and if you do flip sides after taking a woman, then the woman is responsible for turning the man gay... (yes, chauvinists should like that one too) ..

of all of these excuses for gayophobia in the bible that i can find, they don't mention that girl on girl action is bad, so one can only assume it's not OK for guys, but being gay is OK for girls... :-D

oh, and then there is this beauty from Doo-too-ron-oh-me (sounds like a droid designation! "Doo-Too!! Doo-Too Oh-Too, where are you?!")

Deuteronomy 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God.

Charming. makes me want to be a cross dresser, or get a sex change, and then wear men's clothing! Or maybe the author of Do-Too Oh-Too didn't want women to be wearing any male appendages? "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man" ... maybe that author got a *really* bad birthday present from his woman once, ie. she wore the appendage as a trophy...

*ouch*

Those three verses (old testament by the way) are probably the only three biblical excuses for gating hays, however, those same verses are probably the basis for lots of christian bigotry.

and if you didn't know, the most famously quoted version of the bible, the King James Version, doesn't even have the word "homosexual" in it at all, it uses the word "effeminate", so anybody using the word "homosexual" when quoting the bible, is using one of those versions where somebody has gone and got a convenient translation of the bible. I've seen christians quoting the King James Bible, but then in the next paragraph they are making quotes from the bible that use the word "homosexual".. that's deceitful is it not?

and the word "gay" appears only once in the KJV....

James 2:3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:

i like that one... so apart from the O.T. rubbish from bible, what is the religious reason excuse why people hate gays?


I think it's because gay people *are* gay... not a little bit of the time, not some of the time, not most of the time, no.. they are gay *ALL* the time, because that's who/what/how they are.

just like i am me, not some of the time, not most of the time, but all of the time.

and no, it's not strictly a religious reason...

just like a christian is a christian *all* the time, not a little bit of the time, not some of the time, not most of the time, a christian is a christian at all times... right? well, at least they are supposed to be christian all the time because if they are not christian all of the time, then they are not christian at all.



but...... there are obviously some people who just can't fucking understand the concept that "people are people" and that other people think differently to them. which would explain why USA christians rail against atheists far more than they do against other religious people - to them their line of thinking is that at least other people believe in a god of some sort, I guess it is easy for the christian to say to themselves that other people's gods are just their mistaken view of the christian god, than it is for christians to accept that people don't believe at all.

so as stupid as it sounds, let's just write it out loud

you are, who you are...

sounds like an easy concept to digest, right? ... should be a no-brainer, right? hmmm... but apparently *not*, given the carry on we've all seen online... (if you haven't, welcome to the internet, remember not to believe everything you see and read and you'll do fine)

see, i think some people just can't understand or cope with their world not being how they want it to be, and that's a problem, not only for them, but for the people they are bigoted towards.

Nobody can change *who* someone is, you can only change yourself, so being a bigot to someone, isn't the best way to go about trying to change someone's way of life.

You could even beat someone for being gay, and they might pretend to not be gay, just to escape being beaten, and eventually they could become 'straight' just to conform, just to blend in, but... who's fucking business is that in the first place anyway? Certainly not someone who has *never* even met you, you can't change people's hearts, at least not in the space of two seconds.

You could beat someone for being christian, but would they not just say that they are not believers any more so as to avoid being beaten? would they really stop believing in Jesus, just because you seem to have beaten it out of them?

and some people, clearly can't even be themselves, so to compensate, they want everyone else to not be themselves as well, so they tell these other people these things "stop being yourself, it's an abomination", but, really it's a matter of .. "If i can't get to be who I want to be, then no-one else is going to get to be who they want to be either!!" ... well, that's the impression I get!

"My life is a pointless boring misery so *yours* is going to be the same as well, because I'm too lazy to make a mark in this world, because that requires hard work."

Aside from it not being someone's business what other people do in their bedrooms, if you don't like looking at people who are gay, then don't look at them. Pretty simple, right? After all, you do realise that teh gays are easily identifiable by the flashing neon lights built into the sleeves of their fluorescent jump suits, so just look away when you see the neon.

it will be pink neon, usually.

*rolls*eyes*

and you know, maybe those people who are worried that their school age children are getting a 'bad' influence from gay teachers have a point. after all it would be rather distracting to the child's concentration to say the least as it takes effort to treat people with respect especially when they do not deserve it, not to mention they might grow up to be more tolerant of people who are different to them. can't have that happening, now can we? so parents who are concerned that their kids are being "poorly" influenced should be sure to ask their kids if any of their school teachers are having Mardi Gras every class time with scantily clad gay folk parading up and down between the desks? or if any of their teachers wear pink neon lights on their jump suits?

*face*palms*

and you know, maybe those rabid packs of homosexuals running around the streets, gang raping paranoid mountain preachers in the arse, just *might* be a problem for society... I mean, those pink neon jump suits might blind some drivers at night time if these rabid-gay-pack-gangs become too large... put all those gays in the one spot and teh gay neon light would be blinding to astronauts up on the International Space Station!

*shakes*head*

oh, and wouldn't it be a *real* shame if everyone was gay and the human race died out because no-one could have a naturally conceived child any more? I mean, we ALL know that children can only be made when the heterosexual man puts his who-who-dilly in the heterosexual woman's cha-cha!! right?

So if everyone has turned to teh gay side, then there are no more humans being made because it's just not possible for gay people to have children, is it? Two guys can't make a baby, two girls can't make a baby. I mean it's not like gay men would have sex with a woman for the sole purpose of conceiving?!? ewwwwww... not even if you were last member of the opposite sex in the world, honey! not even to save the human race!! ewwwwwwww!!! and it's not like children can be artificially conceived and then implanted into the womb! that's science fiction! and even if it is possible, those children would be evil, conceived and born without souls! (but at least they would be born with pinky neony flashy lighty jumpy suits)

(yes, these sarcastic comments are actually based on real christian fundamentalist arguments... this blog is completely based on REAL and ACTUAL things alleged "christians" have said to me on the internet ... except the flashing pink neon.. i think it was actually more like a pink ribbon instead so one little bit was probably an embellishment ... )

(oh.. i wonder what my point was?)


*several*weeks*pass*

(oh.. i remember now)


those people who do hate gays, hate gays out of fear... again, it's all about fear.

a fear that their world might collapse because someone might be doing something somewhere that's somehow going to mess up their lives at some time in the future in some way, and it's out of their control, way out of their control in fact and it's going to happen at *any* second... just like Jesus is coming, in like .. five minutes from now... it's all about fear and everybody knows what fear leads to... the Dark Side... :(

so these people act out, but their 'venting' hurts people, some people have died *just* for being gay at the hands of some christian warrior for Jesus or some sort of foot soldier for god, because we all know how busy god is at being impotent omnipotent...

maybe these males who hate gays, just simply fear that upon having butt secks, they might just find it to be pleasurable? I mean we all know how good taking a good shit feels, having butt secks can't be too much different from that, right?...

*evil*laugh*


another (possibly offensive for those without spines) ramble, mostly written on 20th March 2009, mostly...

imagine Keeping your religion to yourself... (religio-rant)

imagine Keeping your religion to yourself... for the sake of the earth

imagine, if you will, there is no heaven (hehee) and that there are civilisations out there in the depths of space, thousands or millions of light years away, or maybe even billions of light years away half way across the universe.

Imagine these 'aliens' have technology that is so powerful and advanced that they could systematically wipe out everyone on earth. They could wipe us out from orbit and we'd never even see their faces, not even once. In fact they could obliterate us with an automated probe fired off from the other side of the galaxy and not even get with 100,000 light years of us...

it's not impossible. you've all seen Star Trek, Battlestar Galactica, Star Wars, shit man, if we can think it up then it's *possible*, somehow it is possible.

now imagine that this alien culture already have their god and have been set in their ways for tens of thousands of years with their religion, or better still, they have no god or religions at all, imagine a culture not divided in the least over shit that doesn't really matter, imagine what we could do after twenty thousand years of *civil* civilisation. Imagine if this alien culture has actually outlawed public displays of religion because they went and nuked their own planet twenty thousand years ago over who's god was better on their own planet... imagine a war between planets over who's god was better?

now imagine if these aliens got wind of us earthlings with our Jesuses or our Krishnas and Allahs and Spaghetti Monsters and Big Bird and Count Draculas (vun too tree victims ha ha ha ha), now imagine this culture, is adamant that religion is a very bad thing, and that as a society they have sworn to eradicate every trace of religion in the galaxy *before* these cultures who have religion get out there and corrupt the rest of the galaxy with religious nonsense.

now imagine if they took extreme offence at this notion of openly promoting religion or there being a supreme being

now imagine that they went on a crusade like the christians did back hundreds of years ago against the Muslims. the christians back then did not have any problem with slaughtering *Every* person in a town, tens of thousands of people killed at the hands of the soldiers of Christ in mere days, for the crime of not believing in Jesus.

now imagine every life form on earth being slaughtered for believing in some spurious god notion thing without a shred of proof...

before we offend some alien culture and get wiped off the face of the earth, we need to get rid of religion


what? you didn't think there was a point to this one did you, sucker?


mostly written, 13th March 2009, mostly....

The Ancients Didn't Need Faith... (religio-rant)

if the bible is to believed, then it's true, the ancients did not need faith, Jesus performed miracles by the hundreds for them...

Matthew 4:23 And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people. 24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.


Moses turned the waters into blood at god's command

Exodus 7:20 And Moses and Aaron did so, as the LORD commanded; and he lifted up the rod, and smote the waters that [were] in the river, in the sight of Pharaoh, and in the sight of his servants; and all the waters that [were] in the river were turned to blood.

and Moses also parted the waters


Exodus 14:21 And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go [back] by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry [land], and the waters were divided.

and Noah did that two animal thing with Captain Stubing and The Love Boat, but we don't need to quote all of them as my point is made.



Now this god, supposedly, is never changing, the perfect god, so... why doesn't this god dude come back - or send his proxy again and do some more miracles? the ancients did not have to take the word of someone, so why should we take the word of people making speculations that god is so amazing?

oh... I know... sure it's very likely that the bible is based upon actual events and actual people, but two thousand years and not one miracle? come on!! could it be that the bible is full of exaggerations and anecdotes and tall tales? Oh OK! I lie, some angels came and saw Humammad, I mean Muhammad (peace be under him), about 610AD I think it was, so no contact from god in 1400 years...

Suffice to say, the ancients did not *need* to have faith, god was smiting stuff left right and centre and healing people and all sorts of godly shit all over the place, so much for this never changing god

(ps. i think i got this idea off of someone, my apologies to that person as I can't remember who it was, but it's an excellent point that is worthy of repeating, so credit to them! :)


mostly written 7/03/09, mostly...