you may remember a few days ago i posted the story about when I was a kid and read the bit in the bible where satan is cast out to earth to rule over all he could survey...
seems that was just the twisted interpretation i came up with as a kid... because .. i can't find the bit in the bible where it says he was cast out to rule over all he could survey... perhaps that was just a caption on the illustration or perhaps it wasn't a king james version of the bible...
at any rate i can only find three references to satan falling or being cast out in the bible... hmmmm... that's interesting is it not?
well, to me it is because for my mind, the devil is mentioned on every second page of the bible because of those "preachers" who go on and on about how satan corrupts people... but ... that's not how it is - considering how big the bible is the devil doesn't get mentioned that often let alone the corrupter of the masses - in the bible, "god" is far more belligerent than the devil is...
ah.. here it is the passage that made me think the devil ruled the earth...
Luke 4:6
And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
to me this says blah blah the devil is tempting jesus blah blah but he then offers him all the power that has been delivered to him and he may give that power to anyone (everyone?) he wishes...
ok so we've established that the devil tempted jesus.. so does that mean the devil has already been cast out of heaven? surely he wouldn't be tempting jesus on a mission from heaven under the instruction of god?
why do i point that out? because in revelation it says...
Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
so? well i thought revelations was about the future - that these were things that were yet to happen... cast out into the earth does sort of imply under the earth doesn't it... hmmm... but if satan is cast out of heaven in the future... is that because satan left the earth to mount his final battle with heaven?
Revelations 12:12
Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Revelations 20:2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Revelations 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
the bible really needs a frikking time line for events .. because i can't tell from any passage in the King James version of the bible that actually says when satan was cast out - because - i always thought that the serpent in the garden of eden was satan... so very early on satan must have been cast out, no?
you would think the bible would mention Satan in genesis if he was cast out during that time, no? but it does not - so the serpent was just evil all by himself, hey? so, for my mind, it wasn't satan, not by my interpretation of genesis.
but if it wasn't satan then why was the serpent so tempting? you'd think that if god created the garden of eden it wouldn't have anything evil in it? so did god accidentally create evil?
or was the serpent in the garden god himself? there is no mention of satan anywhere in genesis.. it merely implies the evil serpent tempted adam and eve but... if god created the garden and all the creatures in it.... uhmmm... if the serpent was god then why was he playing the role of a deceiver?
was the serpent, god, or at least under instruction from god to tempt eve with the fruit of the tree of knowledge? was it god tempting eve with the apple? you'd think that the bible would mention the devil being cast out of heaven sometime in between the time that the earth was made and when eve was tempted... it does not .. i just fucking read it then... it does *not* say evil was present on the earth already...
Genesis doesn't say god created evil as some separate entity, either - it does not say evil came from man - the serpent tempted adam and eve - the serpent was evil for passing along the idea of gaining more knowledge.. a creature created by god tempted adam and eve...
is this why science is "evil" - because to acquire wisdom is to "eat" from the tree of knowledge - and god said don't do that - well news frikking flash - the damage is done - that was the original sin - i think god got pissed off because it happened so quickly - so to seek science is to eat from that tree thing but .. thanks to eve disobeying god that first time are we not free to continue on - now that god has throw his hands in the air and left us to our devices?
is mankind at the point of, "in for a penny, in for a pound"?
so god says don't eat the fruit from the knowledge tree but then he'll tempt people anyway with this serpent character he's created - why did the arsehole put that tree there in the first place? he is god, he knew what was going to happen, or at least what *might* happen, so why do it? what's that called, when you do something - no matter how innocent it starts out as - when you know it's going to snowball into something that's going to blow up?
uhmmm.. is that not the definition of "evil" itself? so god puts the tree in the garden - tempts adam and eve with the evil notion of being smarter - then gets all frikking ticked off when his precious children go and do exactly what he'd been tempting them to do?
so i think my conclusion here is that satan wasn't involved with the evil things that happened in the garden of eden... so why did god do that?
what did satan have to do with anything? did he just get fed up with god being a dick? is satan a frikking patsy because god is too ball-less to accept his own short comings? i mean, god was frikking surprised when he found that Adam and Eve had eaten of the tree, what's that about? some god... all knowing? not likely, all powerful, pfft... oooohhhhh....
so satan is a patsy - and he only got ticked off at god after genesis - so god let the evil serpent corrupt Eve then he gets all ticked-off about it.. then Satan finally gets annoyed and launches a coup, but for some reason god is competent on that day.. well actually it mentions that the archangel Michael does the fighting for god in the bible somewhere, anyway, so this god dude doesn't even fight his own battles??
Satan appears in job but it's not exactly clear that he has been cast out from heaven, but in Isaiah it says he was been cast out ... and somewhere (Luke?) it says Jesus saw the devil being cast from heaven...
but here's a question... why? what did satan do, that was *so* bad... ?
was Satan smarter than god - handsomer - younger?? is Ezekiel talking about Satan here?
Eze 28:14 Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
i just don't get it - you sit down and look at this Satan cast out of heaven and it just doesn't add up... god made the evil serpent in the garden of eden... god made evil.. and as far as I can tell.. the devil had to have been cast out of heaven after Genesis and before Job ... but if Jesus saw the devil fall from heaven doesn't that mean that the devil is only responsible for evil after Jesus sees him fall?
#confused
uhmmm... so where did all the evil come from beforehand? it came from god, did it not? so why is god all pissed off over his own mistake? if god hadn't screwed up he would not have had to send Jesus in the first place, no?
so Satan stood up to god once - got kicked out of heaven - now god blames everything on Satan - but it clearly says in genesis that the serpent tempted eve long before there is any mention of the devil / lucifer / satan - go look it up already - so to summarise: god is responsible for all the evil on earth....
do you still like the bible, kiddies?
seems that was just the twisted interpretation i came up with as a kid... because .. i can't find the bit in the bible where it says he was cast out to rule over all he could survey... perhaps that was just a caption on the illustration or perhaps it wasn't a king james version of the bible...
at any rate i can only find three references to satan falling or being cast out in the bible... hmmmm... that's interesting is it not?
well, to me it is because for my mind, the devil is mentioned on every second page of the bible because of those "preachers" who go on and on about how satan corrupts people... but ... that's not how it is - considering how big the bible is the devil doesn't get mentioned that often let alone the corrupter of the masses - in the bible, "god" is far more belligerent than the devil is...
ah.. here it is the passage that made me think the devil ruled the earth...
Luke 4:6
And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.
to me this says blah blah the devil is tempting jesus blah blah but he then offers him all the power that has been delivered to him and he may give that power to anyone (everyone?) he wishes...
ok so we've established that the devil tempted jesus.. so does that mean the devil has already been cast out of heaven? surely he wouldn't be tempting jesus on a mission from heaven under the instruction of god?
why do i point that out? because in revelation it says...
Revelation 12:9
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
so? well i thought revelations was about the future - that these were things that were yet to happen... cast out into the earth does sort of imply under the earth doesn't it... hmmm... but if satan is cast out of heaven in the future... is that because satan left the earth to mount his final battle with heaven?
Revelations 12:12
Therefore rejoice, [ye] heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Revelations 20:2
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
Revelations 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
the bible really needs a frikking time line for events .. because i can't tell from any passage in the King James version of the bible that actually says when satan was cast out - because - i always thought that the serpent in the garden of eden was satan... so very early on satan must have been cast out, no?
you would think the bible would mention Satan in genesis if he was cast out during that time, no? but it does not - so the serpent was just evil all by himself, hey? so, for my mind, it wasn't satan, not by my interpretation of genesis.
but if it wasn't satan then why was the serpent so tempting? you'd think that if god created the garden of eden it wouldn't have anything evil in it? so did god accidentally create evil?
or was the serpent in the garden god himself? there is no mention of satan anywhere in genesis.. it merely implies the evil serpent tempted adam and eve but... if god created the garden and all the creatures in it.... uhmmm... if the serpent was god then why was he playing the role of a deceiver?
was the serpent, god, or at least under instruction from god to tempt eve with the fruit of the tree of knowledge? was it god tempting eve with the apple? you'd think that the bible would mention the devil being cast out of heaven sometime in between the time that the earth was made and when eve was tempted... it does not .. i just fucking read it then... it does *not* say evil was present on the earth already...
Genesis doesn't say god created evil as some separate entity, either - it does not say evil came from man - the serpent tempted adam and eve - the serpent was evil for passing along the idea of gaining more knowledge.. a creature created by god tempted adam and eve...
is this why science is "evil" - because to acquire wisdom is to "eat" from the tree of knowledge - and god said don't do that - well news frikking flash - the damage is done - that was the original sin - i think god got pissed off because it happened so quickly - so to seek science is to eat from that tree thing but .. thanks to eve disobeying god that first time are we not free to continue on - now that god has throw his hands in the air and left us to our devices?
is mankind at the point of, "in for a penny, in for a pound"?
so god says don't eat the fruit from the knowledge tree but then he'll tempt people anyway with this serpent character he's created - why did the arsehole put that tree there in the first place? he is god, he knew what was going to happen, or at least what *might* happen, so why do it? what's that called, when you do something - no matter how innocent it starts out as - when you know it's going to snowball into something that's going to blow up?
uhmmm.. is that not the definition of "evil" itself? so god puts the tree in the garden - tempts adam and eve with the evil notion of being smarter - then gets all frikking ticked off when his precious children go and do exactly what he'd been tempting them to do?
so i think my conclusion here is that satan wasn't involved with the evil things that happened in the garden of eden... so why did god do that?
what did satan have to do with anything? did he just get fed up with god being a dick? is satan a frikking patsy because god is too ball-less to accept his own short comings? i mean, god was frikking surprised when he found that Adam and Eve had eaten of the tree, what's that about? some god... all knowing? not likely, all powerful, pfft... oooohhhhh....
so satan is a patsy - and he only got ticked off at god after genesis - so god let the evil serpent corrupt Eve then he gets all ticked-off about it.. then Satan finally gets annoyed and launches a coup, but for some reason god is competent on that day.. well actually it mentions that the archangel Michael does the fighting for god in the bible somewhere, anyway, so this god dude doesn't even fight his own battles??
Satan appears in job but it's not exactly clear that he has been cast out from heaven, but in Isaiah it says he was been cast out ... and somewhere (Luke?) it says Jesus saw the devil being cast from heaven...
but here's a question... why? what did satan do, that was *so* bad... ?
was Satan smarter than god - handsomer - younger?? is Ezekiel talking about Satan here?
Eze 28:14 Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
i just don't get it - you sit down and look at this Satan cast out of heaven and it just doesn't add up... god made the evil serpent in the garden of eden... god made evil.. and as far as I can tell.. the devil had to have been cast out of heaven after Genesis and before Job ... but if Jesus saw the devil fall from heaven doesn't that mean that the devil is only responsible for evil after Jesus sees him fall?
#confused
uhmmm... so where did all the evil come from beforehand? it came from god, did it not? so why is god all pissed off over his own mistake? if god hadn't screwed up he would not have had to send Jesus in the first place, no?
so Satan stood up to god once - got kicked out of heaven - now god blames everything on Satan - but it clearly says in genesis that the serpent tempted eve long before there is any mention of the devil / lucifer / satan - go look it up already - so to summarise: god is responsible for all the evil on earth....
do you still like the bible, kiddies?
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