in case you haven't noticed, i like to take the piss out of religion, and one of the things i love in this regard, is taking people literally at their word when it comes to their beliefs.
i say, we hold these guys to their eternal and perfect god to the letter of "perfect" and "eternal"
((exercise for reader: does the bible actually say god is eternal, all powerful, all knowing, perfect??))
i wasn't intending this initially, but i thought I'd put the definitions, I usually use answers.com because it comes up first in google
just checking that the words haven't changed meaning and they would seem to have not changed..
(is it just me or are those pronunciation things eg (ĭ-tûr'nəl) supposed to mean anything? they're more complex than the word they are trying to represent!)
ALL GODS ARE PERFECT
if god is perfect and has been around for ever, then how could god have made the universe?
let me explain....
something that is perfect doesn't change - right? god doesn't become less perfect and it doesn't become more perfect! so what changed after a trillion to the power of a trillion years to the power of a trillion etc years that god felt it necessary to stop this incredible feat of doing absolutely nothing, and create the universe, just for us? if we truly are a recent addition to the universe, then exactly what is this claim of perfection in god?
In order for a perfect god to do something, it has to change its mind and interrupt its perfect state.
eg. god sits there perfect in it's glory in heaven, but it has to open it's mouth up and speak the words to make the universe happen, so then what changed, what interrupted this stream of god's perfection? If you were perfect, would you need to go and do something? A perfect god doesn't have time to do things, it's too busy being perfect!
Essentially what i am saying is that if something is perfect, that perfect thing does not change, if it does change, it's not perfect. So if god did make the universe, it's not perfect, or if it did, then making universes is what god does *ALL* the time, which would make us not special and unique at all.
GOD MAKES THE UNIVERSE, JUST FOR US!
and even if something did change and we just ignore that tiny blemish in the perfect being, well why didn't god get the inspiration to create us just a tad bit sooner? so god has been around for all those aeons, like forever, but suddenly at some random point, RECENTLY, god suddenly thought to make a universe? but why didn't god get it's act together, about an eternity sooner? (if that makes sense?)
if i was god, i'd be getting onto this whole creating the universe thing pretty damn quickly!! and if god did wait all that time, then why isn't it still waiting now, the chances are that it should still be waiting, right?
that's a bit arrogant of these god believers, isn't it? god created a universe billions of light years across, after waiting, all that time, just to make us, just so a subset of us would worship it. eg two thirds of the planet don't even believe in this god the same way .... and the ones that do, don't quite all see eye to eye either, *anyway*
so isn't it reasonable to assume that since the perfect god goes and does stuff (ie. it supposedly made us) it could have made and destroyed billions of universes, right? after all, eternity is a heck of a long time to sit around and do nothing at all.... so it stands to reason that if we are created by god, we are just the latest universe in a very very long chain of them, and that we are not special, that this supreme creator of the universe did NOT do all of that work and did NOT wait all of that time, just for the christians on this planet!!!
THE GOD PROGRAM
if there is a god, and it's perfect, and it's been around forever, it could have been designed and programmed such that no matter how far back in its memory it looked, it found *something*, even if it was a record that nothing happened. in computer terms you could "tell" a program that it was perfect and that it knew the answer to everything.. ask it anything, it will say, perhaps, "god did it" as its answer, and it would be right, according to its own parameters. or maybe god doesn't know what itself is going to do, as it's being controlled itself?
if god was created, who is to say it was not designed to think it was the ultimate power in the cosmos? how would it know otherwise? how could it know? it could be programmed to be oblivious to there actually being a creator, it could have been created such that it would not seek to find that answer in the first place.
how does god know it wasn't created?
how does god know it has been alive forever?
A PERFECT GOD CAN ONLY EXIST IN ONE PLACE...
so after this eternity of doing nothing - this perfect being that could do anything at all - this god suddenly decided it was a good idea to create us? by simply speaking the universe into existence?
no, the all knowing god knew right from the start .. oh wait ... there was no start when it comes to god, so uhmmm...
did god attain perfection? and then some stage later decide that god was now perfect? or was god always perfect?
something that is always perfect, doesn't have flaws, that's what the myspaztaztic crowds of chuns keep telling us - but the christian argument at times would appear to be that things that are complex can't possibly have come about by chance so uhmmm.... if god is perfect and has always been perfect then doesn't that mean god itself was created? According to BS that some christchins go on about, god is the most complex thing there is!!
you can not start with something that is complex, it can't start perfect - it *must* evolve - because if it didn't - magic is the only thing that explains the alternative and magic is NOT real... so the only actual place where something can be perfect and eternal is where.... ???
the only place that this god we keep hearing about could possibly seem to exist, is in the mind of those who believe in it, which is quite easily, the most likely location that god has ever existed.
a perfect god can only exist in one place, that's in your head, in your imagination!