Saturday, 24 December 2011

i see religion as a test ... (religiorant)

i see religion as a test

a test for people to learn the good things it has to offer without getting weighed down by all the frivolous details of the religious story and how that story was told and who the characters were...

the important thing in a religion, is the meaning of what is said in a religion; not what the characters were called; not where and when it was set; so in that regard, it doesn't matter that the bible has been translated and chopped and changed a gazillion times, the basic message, is still the same, mostly.

"After thousands of years superhero dude came along and taught a bunch of backwards people how to be good to each other by helping those people in need, but other snooty people didn't like that for some reason so they killed him, in spite of the fact that this dude could have used his superpowers to smash them, because that would not have been a nice thing to do.. the end."

See, it didn't matter what the dude's name was, nor who his mother was, nor if he was gay or not, it doesn't matter when he died nor when he was born nor what all his powers were nor where he came from nor whether he was real nor whether he was god in the flesh... these are all trivial and frivolous additions to the basic story, designed to flush it out, no doubt to give the characters some charm and have the reader identify with the characters.. like any other book.

I view religion in the sense that once I had learned about what it had to say in terms of moral lessons, i could discard and not bother with anything else in it and most of it was summarily discarded by me.

For instance: I often see christians talking about how they revere the ten commandments, but just because someone mainly adheres to most of the ten commandments, that doesn't mean that they automatically can regard themselves as being a good person. Why should it?

These people who cling to the ten commandments are using it as a thing a prop up their own beliefs - they look at the ten commandments and say .. "I am a believer!"

However, an evil person, can follow the ten commandments exactly and still be a hideously cruel human being to everyone excluded by those rules.

Throwing away religion means that you are throwing away the irrelevant things that surround that religion's basic message, which means that you are then able to grow by reading new stories to expand your moral pool of knowledge! Most people gain their morals from their family and friends and from going to school. Religion would seem to throw a spanner into the works to provide interference to mess up the moral compass.

And when a person throws away their religion, they are not necessarily rejecting any good lessons it has taught them, they are merely rejecting the frivolous paraphernalia (aka "bullshit") surrounding the religion, thus freeing you to actually follow the message of the religion, without getting distracted by all the superfluous rituals that allow you to identify with a religion in the first place..

the test of religion, is to learn its lessons and move on and live those lessons that you have learned, not prance around chanting your praise to god, when you know damn well that you are supposed to praise your god by following those good lessons that you have supposedly learned from your precious and sacred thousand year old stories.

Tuesday, 13 December 2011

The War On Christmas breaks the first commandment (religiorant)

I find it utterly pathetic that this "war on Christmas" is mostly over *things* that are *nothing* to do with the actual teachings of Jesus Christ, which according to christianity itself, is a *very* bad thing to do.

In fact, it breaks the first commandment.

If you make a fuss over a *thing* in relation to your Messiah, then you are making that thing out to be important to your belief in Jesus Christ, and that is called *idolatry* - in other words, you are breaking the first commandment by thinking there is a war on Christmas, especially when Christmas is something the bloody Romans made up centuries after the alleged death of that Jesus guy, and especially worse still is that Christmas was based on Roman/Pagan traditions that existed long before the time of this Jesus.

The first commandment wasn't just about worshipping "false" gods that other people or cultures have made up; like Baal, Odin, Justin Beiber etc etc .. it was also about gods that *you* make up yourself, unintentionally or otherwise.

If you make Christmas out to be important to believing in Jesus Christ, then you are believing in a *false* Jesus that you or somebody else has made up - this is because you or somebody else has taken this thing called "Christmas" and mashed it together with Jesus, so you are worshipping this Jesus guy, at least in part, via your associating Christmas with Jesus. in other words; Christmas is making your faith in Jesus more real for you, Christmas is giving you a thing to point at and say "Look at this Christmas thing that I do!! Therefore, *I* am a believer in Jesus Christ!"....

No, that is not how it works - read your bible - your faith says that if you want to follow Jesus and get into heaven, then you need to adhere to the *second* commandment, ie. "love thy neighbour" ie. give to the needy - that - i believe, is what was meant by "spreading the word" - you aren't supposed to go around preaching about how great Jesus was, you are supposed to emulate him and go around helping people out and give money and food away yourself!.. ie. seek the needy people out and help make them to be not so needy with the idea being that if every one helps their neighbours in need, then the whole world can live in peace in some sort of fair society but this only works if everyone does it, so we know that can't happen because most people would not give away their money, not unless they are *sure* they can afford to do it.

Furthermore, to make a *facepalm* situation into even more *facepalm* situation - if your faith is so strong, then your faith should stand by itself, it should not need to wrap itself with frivolous and shiny *things* that are in fact, nothing to do with what your Messiah taught.

I mean, did Jesus say, "celebrate my birth once every year"? because I'm pretty sure that he didn't, and if he did, I pretty sure he would have meant that you celebrate his birth *every* day and honour him *Every* day by actually doing what he commanded his followers to do, *every* day.

But, why is this not-using-*things* so important to following Jesus Christ, even if this "thing" is the celebration of this Messiah's supposed birth???

Because when you fuss over these things that aren't anything to do with the actual teachings of Christ, you can end up not following the teachings of your Christ at all, so how do people expect to get into heaven when they have not met the requirements? I bet there are people who haven't given a cent to a person in need and yet they think they will get into heaven because they believe in Jesus

Only one gospel (**1) says that mere belief in Christ gets you into heaven, the other three say you need to give your money to the needy. so who are you going to believe, Matthew, Mark and Luke or just John?

So as far as I can see it, this "War on Christmas" is just another thing "christians" rage about so that christians don't feel bad about not actually following the teachings of the Jesus

non-believer: "hey, shouldn't you be out helping the needy?"
"christian": "NO!! there's another war on Christmas!!"

ps. there was nobody called "Jesus" 2000 years ago, by the way...

how could there be?

the letter "J" wasn't invented until about 500 or years ago ...

UPDATE: 2/Dec/2012

(**1) even though the verse John 3:16 implies that mere belief is all that is required to receive eternal life, if you read the whole chapter, it does go on to say that you need to do good stuff in a subsequent verse...

ie. John 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

so, John 3:16 is probably being taken out of context by most people.

Sunday, 13 November 2011

the missing mass of the universe? (weird science)

i am no physics major by any stretch of the imagination so excuse me if this is just total crap... but ...

i've noticed that gyroscopes are devices that tend to want to stay where they are, and that they achieve this by having some mass, that is part of its structure, in constant motion..

so on an atomic scale, with electrons in their "orbits" around their various neutrons and protons, as small as the mass of an electron is, does this electron motion around an atom, provide that same sort of gyroscopic stabilising effect?

making all atoms tend to want to stay in their current location because of this nearly massless electron orbiting about it?

could this be the apparently missing mass that is attributed to the theoretical Higgs boson - the "god" particle, if you will - that scientists are looking so hard to find in the LHC and at other particle physics laboratories??

ps. looks like they found the Higgs Boson .. guess my theory here is losing its merit.

Sunday, 6 November 2011

Jesus loves me, and I don't care ... (religiorant)

religion is stupid, we know this because we often laugh at others who don't fit in and stick out like a sore thumb, or at the very least, we raise our eyebrows in bewilderment at people who behave very differently to us in some regards. Like those people who dress up and mimic their heroes at movies (Star Wars movie premiers and Rocky Horror reruns etc) and fan conferences (Star Trek conventions) and those medieval weekends (Renaissance Festivals) where people dress up like they did in the middle ages and other time periods.

That's what religion is, except people do it as part of their *real*lives*, like nutters who plunge into their full blown rants about how "Jesus is LORD" and how they praise god and how you just need to believe in Jesus or Allah or the Space Monkeys from Alpha Cygni 3 - and those nutters think that behaving like that is somehow acceptable...

Religion is just a place where people "dress up" and pretend to be "good" when the fact of the matter is, they would probably have been "good" people *anyway*, even without all the religious mumbo jumbo. In fact, they probably would be better people if not for religion seeing how religion often seems to endow you with prejudices against people that are different to you.

And you know, people can have their god and their religion, that's all okay and fine by me... no really, it is, but if you are going to try and spread your bullshit, you should be prepared to defend your bullshit beliefs if you are going to shove them in my face.


I don't care about religion in much the same way that I don't care about cigarette smoke, that is to say that i don't care about it until it's in my face when I'm trying to breathe. ie. I should not have to tell you to keep your smoke away from me, so when I turn around and give you a dirty look, don't fucking stand there like a dumbarse with a look on your face that says "what did I do?" when you know damn fucking well that I'm turning blue in the face from not being able to breathe!

The point being, no matter how much you think your cultural or spiritual or personal habits do not seem to be bothering any of the dozens of other people directly around you, you should take it as a given that *somebody* does not like having to put up with you being an arrogant dick with your stupid fantasy bullshit, and that you should know damn fucking well that it is likely to be making other people uncomfortable and the reason why you put forward your religion all the time is to intimidate people, in the name of god (aka .. your ego) - and if you don't realise your religion could possibly be making others uncomfortable then you are probably one of the people that can't understand why atheists "rail" against religion ....

The only reason most people get away with being a prick with their religion, or any of their other selfish habits for that matter, is because most people are too polite to tell you to pull your fucking head in.

Religion is the "fad" that has hit critical mass where people are so used to having it around, they don't bother telling idiotic religiotards to stop being stupid. It would even be fair to say that some of those people observing religiotards must surely think that the way they carry on is *normal*.

(UPDATE 1/11/2011: although I will concede a resurgence of christians telling christian-religiotards to put a sock in it, but only from Australian christians though, and given the sheer volume of Internet content from the USA I am exposed to - I find US christians to be abysmally lacking in the department of "moderate" christians that have the balls to tell the religiously ridiculous to shut the fuck up. Instead, however, in the USA I have noticed a trend that by the time people are ready to be openly critical of christians, they have stopped calling themselves christians altogether and now refer to themselves as atheists)

And the end result of a fad that has hit critical mass is that your fad allows adults to embarrass themselves, which isn't that bad of a thing, if you are having a bit of fun, that is. Living your life in a fad, on the other hand, is probably not a good thing to do.

Religion is what it would be like if a Star Trek convention had so many people attend that the perimeter of people participating escaped the confines of the convention center and can now live on its own because it now has so many people doing Star Trek things that a feedback loop of Trekkerisms amongst the general population keeps the stories alive such that after a few decades, not many people realise that Star Trek was just a TV show.

Imagine if everyone based their morality on Star Trek? As well as having *everyone* say things like "beam me up" and "Engage, Mr Crusher!" and everyone thought that wearing red shirts was bad luck and that the most popular drink was "Tea, Earl Grey. Hot" and every little girl wanted to be a communications officer like Uhura; and somehow Tiberius was a top ten ranking name for boys and people walked around giving praise to "The Picard", just to name a few Trekkerisms!

Not saying that any of these things are bad, but the point is, what if people went around living in this Star Trek inspired society, but hadn't even seen a single episode of it?

That is what religion is to most religious people, yeah sure people like Captain Picard or Captain Kirk or Spock or Jesus, but if you didn't even watch the show, let alone actually enjoyed the message that it sends - Star Trek, especially Next Generation, sets a very strong example of good morality in my opinion - so, how can you really be a Trekker if you have not seen the show?

If you'd never seen an episode, then how could you possibly understand the message of morality that Star Trek sent? All you have is some weird fad that many people have been conditioned into liking and yet those people generally have no idea that the whole thing is just fantasy, which leads to "apologist" explanations as to why we are not flying around space right now like "we have forgotten how to fly in space and we now live in a 'simpler' time" ....



But this whole us v them thing between non-believers and believers?

well, it is like the non-believing geeks trying to out-do the believing jocks at being popular .... you've probably seen Revenge of the Nerds, right?

it's no wonder atheism is becoming a "religion", it's prudent for it to become such a thing, simply because the religious are too fucking stupid to understand the concept of *not* believing in "something", to be able to understand how to reject it properly....

That's right..

it may just be inevitable that atheism will dumb down its own "brand-name" due to people joining its ranks that need to readily identify with something in order for them to identify with something new that isn't a religion. ie. atheism lacks a *thing* that people can latch onto, which in turn would allow the religionuts to be "defeated" by something that they themselves can embrace.

This is happening already, with all the different "flavours" of atheism. "New Atheism" - "Militant Atheism" - "Christian Atheism" "Agnostic Atheism" ... yes ... christian atheism.... ahem ... oh well ... whatever makes you happy, I guess :-/

I think all these new groups of atheists may very well be people who have recently become atheists and have dumped their religion, but they still need to find something to rally around mentally. "Religion: without the supernatural calories", perhaps? ..

It's kind of like ice cream, a lot of people would not bother to have an ice cream if it was just plain vanilla ice cream. That is to say that, atheism, by itself, just isn't shiny enough to stand on its own to grab the mind of a potential atheist. Which isn't surprising really, because you have to bring your own knowledge and understanding to the atheism party, which might explain why people stick with their religion, at least it is something they can understand, even if they do have it wrong, those beliefs in god cant readily be thrown away as the existence of a god creature cant readily be excluded - eg. for me it is entirely possible this god creature made a blank empty infinite realm of nothingness and over trillions to the power of trillions of years, this realm of nothingness has spawned billions of universes, all via the natural laws of the vast nothingness.

But for me, I can't see why it is not enough to just support your country or the planet you live on, religion is grasping for straws that can't be rejected because of how high and mighty it makes you feel, which in turn, will keep dividing us.


Think of it this way: Imagine that in two thousand years, this time "Star Wars" is the big "religion" and there are all different factions of it (just like christianity has different sects and cults) with constant arguments over how The Force works, or whether Han drew first or not, or how Jabba the Hutt spells his name ... and don't think that is not possible, I've had a christian phundie go ballistic at me when I corrected him for incorrectly spelling Jabba's name "Jabba the Hut" with only the one "t" in "Hutt".

Seriously, you are better off explaining evolutionary theory or stellar nucleosynthesis to your pet cat than you are trying to explain science to a creationist. At least your pet would love you just for the attention you give it.

Instead of wasting your intellect upon people who are willingly intellectually challenged with their "god did it" mantras, non-believers should apply their intellect towards undermining what the believer is touting.

That's right.. I'm saying that atheists using science and logic against the trivial aspects of the believers' religion is like shooting fish in a barrel.

So instead of the non-believer trying to defend their position with science and logic, the non-believer should make the believer *defend* their application of *their* religion. If your position is so strong, why bother defending it if your opponent can't grasp what you are saying?

ie. don't try to explain how your science and logic are correct, try to explain how they have their religion wrong.

and I don't mean "wrong" in the sense of how they believe in the lame crap like Noah's ark and Adam and Eve and any of those other entirely unbelievably wrong stories; I mean in the regard that believers have missed the entire point of their religion.

So stop this "my position is better than your position" bullshit crap against each other - change tact - scrutinise the believer for *not* actually following what their precious religion says to do.

And in the case of christianity: Jesus taught that to get into heaven you need to give to the needy, in three gospels, so exactly who thinks they are going to get into heaven, when they have not done enough (or anything at all) to get them into heaven?

The fact that there is poverty in the world is irrefutable evidence that the Jesus from the bible does NOT exist. Either that or believers flatly refuse to "love thy neighbour" or are totally oblivious to what their precious Messiah supposedly taught them.

Remember, "christian" means "christ-like" , well, it's supposed to, so if you want to say that you are christian, then I expect you to actually *be* christian and being a christian means you give to the needy and if there are needy people in this world, then that means that there are christians that aren't doing what they need to be doing in order to get into heaven! So if there are needy people, then that means christians are not taking the whole give to the needy thing very seriously, so how can they be going to this heaven, even if it does exist?


Being a christian is impossible, if the non-believer is so inclined to argue about religion with the religidiculous, then hit them where it hurts the most, point out all the crap that people are doing that defies their Jesus' commandment of loving their neighbour and ask them why they aren't selling their stuff and giving that money to the needy..

Have a look at how hard it is to be a christian:

* You can't be judgemental. (Mat 7:1)
* You have to sell all your stuff and give all that money to the needy (if you want to go to heaven that is, then you better read Luke 18:22 Mark 10:21 Mat 19:21)
* You can't brag about being a believer. (Mat 6:5)
* You can't brag about being generous. (Mat 6:1)
* you can't commit idolatry or adultery. (ten commandments)
* You can't lie.
* You can't steal.
* you can't pray in public (Mat 6:6)
* You can't lust after your neighbour's possessions or their partner.
* You can't know who the anti-christ is.
* You don't know when Jesus Christ will return and blah blah blah blah

Our entire society is judgemental and if you reckon you're not judgemental, then you've just made a judgemental reckoning, you have just judged that you are not judgemental! greed is rampant, look at all these people guzzling their way into shopping centres and come on, society is getting fat and yet some people still go hungry - "christians" insist on telling us they are christian all the fucking time - hello? Meekness, please? - the point being is that it is a very long list of things that you can call-out the believer on, without even going anywhere near science and logic.

You will get your message across faster if you argue on their level. And it doesn't hurt to speak to christians as if their stories are true.

Imagine arguing with your cat. You can speak to your blue in the face, but your cat can not possibly grasp any scientific notions and logical reasoning on a complex level, so why bother? If you want to argue with a cat, you need to speak its language. But even though pussycatonese is quite a difficult language to master, just meowing at your cat, even if you don't know the meaning, will be sufficient communications with your cat, since it would probably ignore everything you had to say anyway.


well, so fucking what if he is? keep that religious shit to yourself.

let me say it again, the entire point of Jesus and his christianity (which was allegedly called "The Way" back in his time) was to teach people to be nice to each other, to teach them to be "good" people, right?

so how the fuck does Jesus being LORD make you a good person?


it does not and it *can* not make you a good person, because only *you* can make you a good person.

* Just saying "Praise Jesus" or some other neat little phrase doesn't make you a good person.
* Saying a prayer every night doesn't make you a good person.
* Trying to spread the word, does not make you a good person.
* Telling people they are going to hell does not make you a good person

in fact that last one, well, it makes you fucktarded.

That is what Free Will is all about, the one thing we do get to control in life, is whether we are good or evil. You can choose to be a dick or not. You can choose do nothing or do something, and doing nothing, can quite often be the most evil thing to (not) do, especially if you are christian when you've been *commanded* to help the needy and love thy neighbour!

Only the good example you set via your actions can make you a good person, and even then, it's not you that gets to declare whether you are a good person or not, anyway.

Which leads to the point of why the religious should keep their religious views to themselves.

It is only other people that get to decide whether you are worthy of this label that "christians" choose to bestow upon themselves. You don't get to declare yourself to be like Jesus Christ by simply declaring that you are christian...

Call yourself a christian or a muslim or whatever other religious cult you feel like if you want to slap a label on yourself, but if you don't live up to the good qualities that those belief systems supposedly teach, then you are better off not mentioning that you are religious at all and that includes not getting upset when your religious "values" are offended, especially when the central message of your religion is one of peace and tolerance and how you supposedly even *forgive* all those that trespass against you, you remember that bit, right?

So if you say to me that Jesus is LORD, I will consider your statement to be *bragging* that you believe in Jesus and bragging that you believe in Jesus is bragging that you are christian and bragging that you are christian is bragging that you are a good person and bragging that you are a good person, automatically makes me *doubt* your sincerity about being a good person because **nothing** you believe in makes you a good person, how can it?

Your actions define whether you are good or not, so saying that you follow some religion, doesn't make you a good person, *ever*.

eg. Bragging that Jesus Christ is LORD doesn't make you a good person any more than knowing that energy equals mass times the speed of light squared makes you smart.

What does it even *mean* that Jesus Christ is LORD? *show* me how that makes you a good person!!!

This is the basis of why people should avoid committing idolatry, because what you say and what you do are TWO different things. eg. if you say you are a good person, that means nothing, but if you actually do good things, then that makes you a good person so if you go around saying that you are a good christian when clearly you are not - then that is idolatry because you are worshipping a false Jesus. (i describe why this is idolatry below at *** )


Just saying that someone needs to believe in Jesus is idolatry, because just believing in Jesus, like I have said repeatedly here, doesn't make you a good person, because being a good person is what Jesus wanted you to *do*, if we are to believe the point of the stories in the bible.

I know this will sound utterly ridiculous, but you have to *BE* a good person to actually *BE* a good person!! Just saying that you are christian, does not magically make you a good person, and you are fucking up-yourself if you think that it does.

You don't see me going around acting like I am *better* than everyone else just because I "know" some arbitrary thing, now do you? ie. I know the sun will rise tomorrow, but you don't see me bragging about it, seeing how it's such an obvious "fact", you know, like how your particular version of your god just happens to be a "fact" as well?

If it's a fact, then why do you need to keep restating that? ... and yes, this is no different to scientifically illiterate people that keep insisting that evolution is a fact; are you trying to convince others or yourself? "right-ee-oo!! we heard you" - this arbitrary fact of yours that you keep parroting and yet know little to nothing about, well, it doesn't somehow make you more intelligent... and yes again, there really are people like that...

Because that is exactly what you are doing when you try to say that you believe in Jesus, you are saying to me that you are better than me because of one little arbitrary thing, and even if you genuinely don't mean to say that you are better than me by professing that you believe in Christ, then that's just too fucking bad, because that is how I hear your religious mumbo jumbo anyway.

Christianity has put itself up on a pedestal as being the shining light of humanity and somehow that makes you better than those who don't believe and I bet you don't even follow the teachings of your precious messiah, do you?

This troubles me deeply.

Especially when all "christians" do is talk about how they are christian ... that's not being christian, that's just *saying* you are christian, these are TWO different things.

And it should be especially noted here that it was the people insisting upon telling me to believe in Jesus, that were the fucktards who put me off believing in Jesus in the first place. I already believed in Jesus when I was a kid, it was what I was taught, but it was people taking one look at me and assuming that I didn't believe in Jesus and telling me that I needed him, that broke the back of christianity for me. judge not lest thee be judged yourself much?

Practice what you preach or get the fuck out but at any rate I am glad they did, this way I wasn't sucked into the whole "Jesus loves everyone" fucking bullshit that nobody *actually* follows - sure they say they follow Jesus ... but when push comes to shove - they shove back when they are supposed to sit there and be non-violent.


The way I see religion, is that you are making it out to be such that *you* are making those bible stories out to be true, and further more, you are demanding that other people also believe that these untrue stories be considered to be true as well, merely because *you* say they are true.

ahem. who the fuck are you? You are nobody - not one person on this earth can make me believe in anything - sure I might say something, to make you piss-the-fuck-off but I don't have a problem with lying to people who are demanding that I believe in *their* lies!

That's what the religious want when they try to convert or pass along their religion, they do not give a fuck about actually spreading its message of good will, kindness and tolerance, they try to spread their religion so as to make it into an affirmation of their own faith. Which is kind of like talking to yourself in the mirror, telling yourself that you are pretty or that you are handsome.

This would be no different to me going around to people's houses on a Saturday morning telling people that they should "Trust in The Force". I don't give a fuck if you believe in The Force or not, the only reason I would be telling people to believe in The Force, is to reinforce my own beliefs of believing in The Force. If I tell someone about The Force, and they accept The Force, then that's a win for me as it props up my ego. If I tell someone about The Force and the tell me to fuck off, that *also* props up my belief in The Force because I'm so obsessed with it that anybody ragging on it, would just make me even more determined to spread the word about The Force.

Well, that's how religious nuts come across to me. They aren't following what Jesus taught, so clearly they only spread the word to reinforce their own beliefs. Kind of like those people that love to hear themselves talk. I'm a pretty-girl/handsome-boy - kind of like a parrot.

You may think that what you believe in is true, but this does not make it so. The bible is a story and therefore, technically, it is a *lie*, and while it may not be a lie in the sense that it was a lie told with malicious intent, the point is that Star Wars is also a story and all stories are made up, no matter how good of a story it is.

So even if I believed Star Wars was actually real, nothing gives me the right to even begin to try and sell this story as if it were fact, because as soon as I try to make that story true, when it is not true, then that story then becomes a lie.

therefore: all religion is a lie because of the believers themselves who try to spread their religion.

Q) So, what do we do if we don't want our little stories to be considered lies?

A) We don't fucking try to sell them to others!

The logic is quite simple, and only someone who is willingly ignorant and willingly arrogant would continue to try and "spread the word" once they had been told to take it some place else.

So in the spirit of not putting forward anachronistic stories as "truth", the religious should keep their religious views to themselves because there is bound to be somebody that doesn't share those views, or rather, there are bound to be people who don't share your point of view that might resent your proselytising about being a good christian while at the same time you're also being a judgemental hypocritical prick of a bastard, not to mention that stating something as fact, when it clearly isn't - is a *lie* - and that breaks one of those precious ten commandments from that Moses guy, by the way.

The fact of the matter is that *most* people are decent enough at being human beings by default, so being religious makes no difference to being "good", except that the non-believer doesn't go around bragging that they believe in some intangible thing that somehow makes them "good" like the religious fucktards do incessantly.

The non-believer is more inclined to be a good person for the sake of being a good person, the non-believer is not compelled to think that doing good is going to see them rewarded with the gift of eternal life in heaven. Remember the Good Samaritan tale, where even the faithful person would not lend a hand to the injured man lying at the side of the road?

The point being is that unless you truly follow what your faith teaches, then it's best that you not brag about being faithful. So in the case of christians, you've got a very difficult task ahead of yourself to actually be considered a christian, so if you are going to brag about being a christian, then I expect you to be very much a Christ-like individual.

I personally don't call myself christian, because:

* I can't refrain from judging people who demand that I accept them as being a good person, when they are clearly *not* good people
* I don't help out just any person in need, I am wary of people taking advantage of my generous nature
* I don't unconditionally love everyone, especially when people have proven themselves untrustworthy
* I'm only forgiving to a certain extent
* I'm not selfless all the time
* I don't turn the other cheek once you have crossed the line
* I don't give someone my jacket as well when they demand my coat, especially if they are ungrateful
* I refuse to love my enemies, if you are my enemy then that is for very good reason
* I won't let people hurt me nor let people hurt others and get away with it
* I am not willing to die to avoid hurting others, especially if they are hurting me.

These qualities are all the opposite of what you would expect to find in Jesus, so I don't even bother to try and live up to them, therefore: I do not pretend to be christian, because I expect christians to be like Jesus with his "love everyone" mantra.

It's like bragging that you are smart, but then when somebody asks you a question and you don't know the answer, you look like a dickhead and say "Oh I'm not smart in *that* field of discussion!!"

Same with bragging about being a christian, unless you are willing to die for me; willing to "love" me even if I try to kill you by nailing you to a cross; unless you forgive me for every heinous act I could possibly enact upon you, then you shouldn't be bragging that you are a christian.

I am not saying that I would do horrible things to you, but it is the principal of the concept. Being christian, means that you are supposed to be Christ like. So unless you are willing to go through the same sort of crap as you might have seen in "The Passion" then you shouldn't be bragging about how much you are like Christ by telling everyone that you are christian...

I think of christians in much the same way one would consider Padawan learners (a Jedi in training), if you are a Padawan, you don't go around saying you are a Jedi yet and if you do, your Master will remind you that you are still a Padawan and that Jedi are humble. In the same regard, christians should not brag about being christian unless they are truly selfless and Christ-like, and if they were truly selfless and christ-like, then they would never mention that they are christian in the first place, at the very least, it should not be an unsolicited admission. ie. don't talk about your religion unless you are asked to talk about it, because if you actually were christian, your christianity should show via your actions.

So if you are going to say that you are christian and tout your views, that's fine, but one should expect to be challenged when these "christian" views are put forward, because stating something as fact, when it clearly isn't, is a *lie*, and that breaks one of those precious ten commandments, by the way. Yes I said that already.

believe in whatever you want, but if you believe in something that says "be nice" or "don't lie", then I expect you to follow those rules, if you can't do that, then keep your religion to yourself, because it is rude to pretend that you are a good person.


Believers should be aware that using things to lend credence to their religion is idolatry.

A blatant example that might not be so blatant for those not looking for it could be briefly expressed by the following phrase:

"Just because your god made the universe, that doesn't automatically make you a good person."

Let me elaborate upon this:

god making the universe - as grandiose a task as it is to make everything that us mere mortals know about - is a pathetically boring and mundane task for a god. Which might explain our universe if the christian/hebrew/muslim god truly did make it in six days - god had like a gazillion years to make and plan our universe - but it would seem to be a rushed job .... I saw a comic about that recently at Two Leaf Clover ...

The point being is that god making the universe is just some arbitrary fact about your god - and a fact is about a thing, so if you believe in god because it did this random thing, in this case, making the universe, then you are using that *thing* to prop up your beliefs. You use this thing, this idea you have that god made the universe, to help you believe in god... and many people *do* believe in god in general terms (ie. not just christians) because for their minds their is no way the universe can exist without some higher power being involved at some point in the construction process.

and you know - good for you if you want to believe in that sort of stuff - but if that is *all* you do when you believe in the christian Jesus/god and you aren't following what your precious messiah said to *do* to get into heaven - then why call yourself a christian or a good person?

What makes you a good person, is actually *being* a good person, and if you claim that following your religion makes you a good person, then you had better show us that you are following it otherwise you are bound to be called out on your bullshit.

*** If you can't show that you are a good person, and yet you claim to follow the Jesus from the bible, then you've made up your own Jesus. And clearly, if you have made up your own Jesus, no matter if this Jesus is mostly based on the one from the bible, then you are committing idolatry, because if you follow a Jesus that somehow lets you be a prick some of the time, then that is not the Jesus from the bible, so you are worshiping a false Jesus.. ie. a false god... thou shalt not worship false gods much?

I encountered a very hostile "christian" recently who was nothing but rude and condescending, who would hit-on every female with overly sexual comments in some discussion forums and yet he maintained that he was a good christian, simply because he loved his wife.

To that fucktard I would say .. "No, you stupid prick, you do not believe in the Jesus from the bible, you have made up your own version of Jesus that sees you love this one person and yet allows you to be a prick to every one else - *clearly* that is a false Jesus as the JC from the bible said to love everyone, so you are worshiping a false god, and that breaks your precious first commandment" ...

I didn't bother actually explaining this to him - as he was clearly far too stupid to understand. But many "christians" act like this. Some try to make up science based on their bible - but if you need real life confirmation of what's in the bible, then I find your lack of faith ... disturbing.

The easiest place to commit idolatry, is right there in your mind - where you can make up your own versions of Jesus that resemble the Christ from the bible, but are clearly not the Jesus from the bible, seeing how much of a prick you are to everyone who doesn't worship the ground *you* walk on......


I first "rejected" religion in preference to reality when I was very young, it was something to do with dinosaurs, I'm sure, because I was told that the bible says that the world was thousands of years old - but then I read about dinosaurs - and dinosaurs weren't just a few thousand more years older, meaning to say that the age of the world as indicated by the bible isn't just a little bit off, dinosaurs are ten thousand *times* older than the bible and its six thousand year "history" had described. In terms of percentages, the Earth's age according to the bible, is only 0.01% of the time since the dinosaurs were wiped out 65 million years ago. That's not just a little bit off. That's a bit like thinking you can launch a rocket into space with a bottle of lighter fluid.

I remember saying to someone at a very young age when talking about dinosaurs "so, that means that the bible is wrong?" and the reply was "pretty much!" ... I wonder who that was?

I also remember being in Sunday school once (maybe twice) and the Catholic Sister was telling the class some thing that I thought was utterly hilarious, but before I laughed out loud, as everyone was quietly listening to the Sister I looked around to see who else was laughing ... nobody else was laughing, they were all paying attention to this bullshit that was being told. I don't remember going to Sunday school that many times...

Later in life I tried to reconcile, for fun really, that whole bible thing and its six days was actually meaning six billion years - but I remember not being convinced that I needed to be convinced that religious gods were a fabrication by that stage.

science was just so much more interesting and fascinating than this grandiose god story that seemed to be so full of holes - like Noah's ark - I remember reading about that in the bible - and that was the end of my bible reading because I went off on a tangent at that point and went looking for corroborating evidence about this "Ark" - I clearly remember watching a documentary "In Search Of... Noah's Flood narrated by Leonard Nimoy" too, about the search for Noah's ark ... but that set me off on even more quests for knowledge!!!

So Noah and his Ark was just the first hole in the armor broken and I didn't really bother with christianity/church much from there ... but I did learn that "Jesus loves everyone" very early on, but that was pretty much it ....

So basically the only thing I learned was that Jesus loved everyone, so you can imagine just how ticked off I was at people calling themselves christian that did not love everyone. In fact, I'm pretty sure at one stage that I considered christianity and the catholic church to be two different things.

At some stage in my teens I noted that there were multiple churches - and then I read that "my" Roman Catholic Church and the Church of England (Protestants) split up and that many people died in all of this split - so I figured that why would I follow something that the church itself can't follow? I had also seen Monty Python's Life of Brian by then so religion became cannon fodder early on because of how stupid I found it to be. I clearly remember cursing people to hell for the most trivial of things for decades - of course I don't mean it - so as a reflex action, I mock the concept of the often arbitrary definition of "sin" and how that supposedly results in an eternity in hell - my favourite is to damn people to hell for interrupting my listening to ABBA.

Then I went through the whole I hate god thing - but god turned out to be my ego and then god died like an imaginary friend that you notice that you don't believe in any more suddenly one day after fifteen years of not thinking about it! ... And by that time my biggest dilemma with god was that I kept saying "god this" and "god that" - so I got around that by considering that every time I used the term "god" - I was referring to the universe. Which I later found out is "pantheism" (god is everything, everything is god) ... which is very close to the Jedi and The Force, with its all encompassing energy field that surrounds us and binds the universe together. (our universe's size is pretty much defined by how far energy radiating from it has travelled, an all encompassing field of energy defines our universe, and as it turns out, our universe is mostly energy - except for all the empty bits!!)

But now I'm at the "yes religion is stupid, but so fucking what?" stage ...

So finally to summarise

When speaking to an overly religious person, who doesn't really follow their religion in the first place (oxymoron==true), telling them some "thing" about their precious religion is irrelevant - they don't give a crap about some mundane little part of the story - they don't even care about the whole point of their religion!!

it's like saying Star Wars isn't cool, to a Star Wars "fan" that has never seen any of the movies

"I don't care what you think about Star Wars, I still like it!" (but has never seen any of the movies)

"I don't care what you think about Jesus, I still believe in Jesus!" (has not read the bible nor has done anything for the needy)

So belief in a christian god, is merely a crutch, to help you deal with the myriad of complexities in your life.

But that isn't necessarily a bad thing because beliefs *can* be inspiring, but they can also be detrimental.

So if one is to believe in god, one should actually aspire to the (good) goals represented by this god, but if this god is your own personal god, then feel free to make it *all* up, but if you want to be christian, then there is already a whole bunch of stuff laid out that you need to do in order to call yourself christian ...

while i may not believe in a "god", I believe, or at least, I want to believe, that human science will result in our achieving some measure of immortality for everyone and that we will know a hell of a lot of stuff about the universe if we can stick around for another thousand years, probably enough to get us off this rock and spread across the galaxy - but none of these levels of greatness that humans may achieve will ever mean that god does not exist

how can human achievement ever out do god? it's *god*, fuckwit! if humans can defeat god somehow, then that is because humans didn't set the bar high enough when they defined this "god" that is suddenly able to be replaced by humans.

while I may not believe that our "spirits" will ascend to some higher plain of existence, I do believe that it is possible that one day our consciousnesses will be transferable to some sort of computing device, giving us a virtual "ascension" into the "network" and as long as the network survives, you will be immortal ... who knows, maybe this is how we'll explore the galaxy, we upload a copy of ourselves to some sort of space probe and we would live our virtual lives roaming the galaxy, perhaps at first setting up communication relay stations here and there about the galaxy.

i also believe that one day, we'll figure out quantum entanglement too, so those relay stations I just mentioned would be capable of instant communications across light years of space, so not only could you upload yourself to this space probe, you could interact instantaneously back with the "real" you, or in fact you could interact with other copies of yourself, seeing how your real body died tens of thousands of years beforehand.

so in that sense, my belief is also a crutch, because right now, everything that I believe in, is still somewhat based in fantasy. I would guess that most people have beliefs that are warm and fuzzy but not necessarily the complete truth as well.

But for me, without that belief system in place, existence would seem rather pointless, because if we're just here to go around in fucking circles and "Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth, and subdue it" like the religiotards would have us do, then we're just going to end up killing ourselves whilst competing for resources and if that is the direction where we are most definitely going, then there really *is* no point in existing as your actions in the here and now really *would* be pointless without a hopeful future on the horizon.

Which incidentally, is what the online religidiots (rhymes with village-idiots) tell us anyway: "if we don't believe in god then our existence is pointless."

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mostly written.... 24th June 2011, mostly.... most of the blogs I have written of late end up blowing out to almost novel lengths, so I give in ... you will have to suffer my long rants if you want to read as I can not be fucked trimming them down to page sized rants any more...

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Friday, 21 October 2011

it takes more faith, to not have faith.... (religion v science)

Believers have it easy because it takes more "faith", to *not* have faith, because if you are a believer with faith in god, then "god" is the answer for everything which you don't understand, or more likely, don't *want* to understand, but that's okay, because a lot of knowledge is utterly useless if you don't know what to do with it anyway, so why bother learning anything intricate if it doesn't really have any application in the here and now for you? there are smarter people in the world than you anyway, let them do all the heavy thinking.

but now, take the non-believer: they don't get to palm off explanations to a god, so the non-believer requires more "faith" in their own abilities to use their own judgement and their own understanding of the universe to be able to encounter life as a non-believer than it does to just have godly faith and think that "god did it" and thereby have all the answers for all the big questions about life the universe and everything already....

imagine being a believer and looking up at the sky and thinking "wow! isn't it great how god stops the sky from falling on me?" and then there's the poor non-believer who looks at the sky and has to go through all of that thinking "wow, isn't it amazing that the earth's gravity keeps the heavier elements like nitrogen, oxygen and carbon closer to the surface of the earth in such abundance that I am thus able to breathe this atmosphere?"

think of how much easier gravity, special relativity, quantum entanglement and many other complicated scientific fields could be if you just ran with the knowledge that they are all part of god's handiwork, so why think about that complicated stuff at all when god did it?

"Bah! Quantum mechanics! who cares about that stuff, god did it!"

if my faith in a god was supposed to explain the universe, then why think about any of it *any* further, doesn't thinking about it further just demonstrate that I don't believe in god? Why do I need to keep going on about what god has done if I actually had faith?

that's where many believers are being dicks, as it amazes me how many people try to use their own pseudo-religio-science to explain the universe, whereas if they really had faith in their god, they would just let go of trying to use their scriptures to explain everything and just have faith that their god *is* the answer, because, after all, the whole point of being religious is *not* to look for signs and proof that god exists and then tell everyone "hey look! here's proof of god!" ...

the point of having faith, after all, is to teach that religious person how to be a moral and well meaning person, right?


but in the case of the non-believer, do they not need to possess more "faith" in their understanding of the universe in order to explain the universe? it's not like as a non-believer you can just go "oh Einstein figured that out" and that's the end of that, no... the non-believer is expected to at least be of the understanding that what they know, could very well be wrong.

seriously, to be a non-believer, if you can't just shove "god did it" out there as an answer to anything, then you are going to have to think about it and then you have to have "faith" in your answer to be able to go on with life, I mean, you've got to know exactly what makes teh sun rise when you don't believe that "god did it", right? ... you gotta know why teh sky is blue, otherwise it will just fall down upon you, right?

the sciency people..

Q. why is the sky blue?!?
A. because of the atmosphere!
Q. how?
A. because the molecules of air, scatter blue light in all directions
Q. how?
A. because the frequency of redder light is such that it can pass through the air relatively unimpeded, but the bluer light has just the right frequency such that the size of the air molecules, effectively makes the air a prism that can scatter light that is bluer.
Q. how?
A. go read up on it yourself, i don't know anymore than that

the god-did-it people

Q. why is the sky blue?
A. that's how god made it

or ... ***OR*** ... you could just say "I don't know!" and then just be fucking happy that it doesn't really matter in the here and now about how the sun rises, you just need to go by the evidence, that it *does* rise.

so scratch the topic of the blog .... because in fact, it takes far *less* faith to just say "I don't know", you can then move on to more important things, you know, things that actually matter, or maybe it takes **more** faith to just let the whole thing go by saying "i don't know?"?

now i am confused - LOL - but I don't care ...

but more or less, when it comes to my understanding of the universe, i had to work at getting to that level of understanding in the first place, and in turn, i have faith in my understanding of how the universe evolved, but I am fully aware that it is probably wrong, but that's the *fun* thing about science, and I am welcome to change my mind about my "faith", because unlike the religious, who aren't supposed to be changing their minds about shit, seeing how their holy books that describe the unchanging perfect god of theirs were written centuries ago....


god is perfect, right? things that are perfect don't need to change because if they did, they would no longer be perfect.


Thursday, 20 October 2011

what does that have to do with being a good person? (religiorant)

i think atheists waste a lot of time telling christian fundamentalists that their religion is wrong ...

one thing that just seems to befuddle christians, that the atheists don't seem to latch onto, is the fact that "christians" *have* fallen victim to this hol(e)y story of theirs nor do atheists point out to christians how grossly *wrong* they have gotten their precious christianity ...

for example: instead of merely saying that their religion is total crap, I would ask the believer to explain just what exactly does this crap they are prattling on about have to do with being this "good" person that being a christian supposedly makes them....


I occasionally see stories about Noah and his ark, and I can't help myself to "debunk" it - but this is very easy to do - it is - I actually deleted about a page of stuff from this blog to do with how stupid it is - so instead of wasting my time by saying that Noah's flood is an impossibility and how utterly idiotic it is (saying the same thing over and over again is like banging your head against a brick wall, is it not?), I would instead ask the believer to explain to me just what does a story about an ark full of animals have to do with being this good person that being a christian supposedly makes you?

this applies to anything "christian" in fact, as the entire point of christianity was for believers to be good people, right?

at least, that's what we keep being told, believers keep on telling non-believers that they must "believe" in Jesus, just like them, in order to be a "good" "moral" person as well

so i reckon the non-believers should take advantage of people that insist on professing their christian propaganda that proclaims them to be good moral people, and point out that how proud you are of them for.........

* selling all their things and giving that money they make to the poor and needy (Mar 10:21, Luk 18:22, Mat 19:21)
* for not being judgemental (Mat 7:1)
* for not praying in public (Mat 6:6)
* for not bragging that they do good things (Mat 6:1)
* for being tolerant and compassionate towards everyone (Mat 5:43-44, Mat 19:19, Mat 22:39, Luk 10:27, Mar 12:31, Rom 13:9, Gal 5:14, Jam 2:8)

What's that? they don't do *any* of that stuff?


It is clear to me that "christians" are not awake to the massive lie they are feeding themselves, so by talking to "christians" in their sleep and whispering to them as they slumber what their messiah actually taught, it may just snap them out of their comatose state of ignorance.

who can seriously be christian?

come on!!!

people are too selfish to live up to Jesus Christ's teachings; sell all my things and give that to the needy? I don't think so, I (at least partially) earned my easy life by putting in the hard slog at school and university and at work ..

I give to the needy on very rare occasions, so I have no right to call myself christian, but in the USA there seems to be a plague of people that insist that they believe, by simply saying that they believe!

In Australia, we have a 60% christian population - apparently - but anybody who talks about Jesus like he's the bees knees is very likely to get mocked or at the very least told to keep their religion to themselves if it's not the topic of conversation.

In other words, there is more of a tendency to keep your religion to yourself in Australia, as demonstrated by how even the religious tell the more fanatic religious types to stop being stupid idiots - in fact - it would be fair to say that the majority of "christians" merely saying that they christian, are in the USA... (maybe the internet presents a biased demographic in this regard?)

I can only think of a handful of Australian religious fruit cakes - not to say that there aren't any but they certainly don't make it obvious they are Jesus freaks - at least not in real life!..

For instance, I'm sure I've heard Australian christians refer to crazy/stupid/loud/annoying "christians" as "Jesus Freaks" ... ie. being a Jesus Freak and being an actual christian (or at least not bragging that you are a christian) are two different things.

the USA has a critical mass of Jesus Freaks who merely confess to believing in Jesus like that is supposed to make them good people, somehow - but what the fuck does that have to do with being a good person? ...

How does *just* saying that you are christian make you a good person? It does not! If you think it does then you are telling a *massive* lie. Just because you say something a million times, it still doesn't make it true.


It's quite fascinating to see the sheer volume of people professing to be christian but are unwittingly breaking their own christian rules - or rather - they aren't following their rules to begin with instead they just say that they are christian - as if it was supposed to mean something.

"I'm a christian and Jesus died on the cross for my sins"

no, that's not right, but even so, even if he did die on the cross to cancel out your sins, then so fucking WHAT? Thta doesn't mean you get to be a cunt, that doesn't mean you are going to heaven *regardless* of what you do.

The bible says that you have to *DO* good deeds for those in need, to be christian ... If you don't do good things for the needy - you are not a christian - if you continue to say that you a christian - then you are lying because if you claim to be following Jesus and don't help the needy, then you are worshipping a false Jesus, and that breaks the first commandment and there's a special place in hell for that particular sin.

This blatant "just say you are a christian", at least in the USA, I suspect, is the result of putting "in god we trust" on your money and similar statements into pledges that are recited almost daily: people end up *just* believing, without knowing what they believe in, so it's hardly any surprise that there are homeless and otherwise needy people, in spite of how the primary commandments from their Jesus, instructs christians to *love* everyone, and loving everyone, means *helping* everyone who needs help.

so indeed - what the fuck does all this other shit like Santa, Christmas, Easter, Easter Bunny, Popes, miracles, church and even Jesus Christ himself - none of that has anything to do with *being* a good person ...

think about it ... none of it matters ... as none of it is anything to do with helping the needy, which is quite clearly what the bible says you need to do to get into heaven.

So if you don't help the needy - then you aren't going to heaven ...

and all of this is why you should never even confess to being a christian in public, as you are supposed to *earn* this title of being Christ-like, by helping others.... not by merely making an idolatrous confession that you believe in Jesus because it means *nothing* at all to just believe in this Jesus dude.

written mostly on 22nd July 2011, mostly

Wednesday, 19 October 2011

generalising about christians? who? moi?.. (religiorant)

recently, it was speculated that I lump all christians into the "you are a dumbarse" basket...

this is not true, if I were to lump all christians into the dumbarse bucket, I would quite clearly say it with no possible room for misinterpretation of what I meant...

ie. If I mean to say that all christians are dumbarses, I would quite explicitly say that "ALL CHRISTIANS ARE DUMBARSES"

and I would probably type it all in upper case as well, just like above, just to make sure that "christians" didn't miss my message, however, not that I can remember everything that i've ever said and done, but I strongly doubt that I have said or written such a thing, and if I did the context of what was said would probably be important ....

if I say that christians are dumbarses (or something similar) and someone comes along and thinks that statement applies to *all* christians as some blanket generalisation about every self claimed christian on earth, then that person has gone and read more into what I have said or they have ignored the context of what I have said or they have extrapolated their own meaning from my words.

I consider this to be an offensive assumption, because this person has a) made up something around what I have said and then b) gotten angry at the thing that they have made up and then c) they have then taken out their anger on me... fuck you, cunt face!!

one thing that insecure believers have often read into my words is that i've said that god doesn't exist - this is bullshit - i would have to be god itself to know that god doesn't exist -- so if i do say that god doesn't exist, you must have missed the rest of what i was saying.

And if you did miss something I said, or chose to ignore what I said, then it is your obligation to ask questions to find out what I actually meant, you know, instead of flying off the handle like some poor little girly skirt that has been blown up about your ears by the wind.

If you don't ask questions, then keep your offensive assumptions to yourself, because if you invent something to get upset about based on my words, then that is your problem, it's not my problem if you wish to perpetuate your own ignorance.

If you don't ask questions, then you are choosing to be ignorant, and that is your fault, and if you get mad at me over something that is your fault, I'm not going to be very nice to you about that something.


I once tried to separate the two "classes" of christians, "regular" and "fucktard" .... ie. I would be careful to use proper politically correct language so as to not offend someone who may by offended over something that I may say ....

but it's become very apparent after spending several years interacting with "christians" on the internet, that there is no need for me to refrain from explicitly saying that "only some" christians are fucktards, or that "only some" christians are bigots, or that "only some" christians are blah blah blahh blah

Because *why* should I bother?

I don't hear anywhere near enough "real" christians saying that "ohh not all atheists are bad", so why should I give a fuck if I generalise when christians don't give a fuck when they are generalising? hypocrite much?

The reason for this is quite simple, and this works in both a positive and a negative way.

If people want to complain that I am generalising the "nice" christians in with the dumbarse christians, then stop right there.

What's the point in telling me? The *ONLY* way to shut me the fuck up is to make the problem go away, and *I* am most certainly not the problem, so whinging to me, is merely a recipe to inspire me to point out MORE "christians" being fucktards.

And there is also the embarrassment factor of not reading what I've written properly, or read what I wrote *AT*ALL* ... I've seen plenty of people do that too. The amount of times people have gone off at me for my alleged comments that their god didn't exist when I said nothing of the sort, is quite pathetic. On more than a few occasions I have pointed out how crap the bible is and in response I have had exclamations that decry my apparent denouncing that god doesn't exist. The word "god" doesn't even appear in the phrase "the bible is a stinking pile of bull shit" and yet stupid fucktarded "christians" suffering from dumbarsitis insist that I have said that their precious and fucking stupid god doesn't exist ...


And what sort of fuck does any true believer give over what **I** have to say about their religion?

Who died and made me an globally recognised authority on your religion? paranoid-fucking-much? hmmmm?

All I am doing is pointing out the fucking obvious, my words are not the problem. If you find my words to be a problem, then it is YOU THAT HAS THE PROBLEM, because the ONLY thing you do by telling me not to generalise, is confirm that I AM RIGHT and that all christians *do* deserve to be placed into the same dumbarse bucket as the "Bad christians".

somebody: "not all christians are FUCKTARDS, you know?"

that's right, if you feel the need to tell me to take it easy on christians, then don't bother.

Instead, get off your fat lazy holy arse and go tell the fucktarded christians to pull their fucking heads in, yourself, either that, or don't whinge to me for trying to clean up your fucking abomination of a religion by trying to call out your extremist fucktard believers on their bullshit.

all you achieve by telling me to take it easy on christians is to inspire me to do go and do that more often, and louder, and to top off all of this: any *true* christian would forgive me for any offence I caused them with my generalisations towards them in the first place, not that I have seen hide nor hair of an actual christian in at least a few decades - if *ever* - as my memory isn't that good.

oh and if you don't like what I have to say, then GOOD, that's the point.

written mostly on 9th March 2011 ... mostly ....

Tuesday, 18 October 2011

more important things to spend money on at home, than on space travel? (science v idiots)

I often see people complain in space exploration forums that there are more important things to spend our money on than running around the solar system checking out stuff for no other reason than to see if there is stuff there to check out.

well, maybe there is, but I find the whole notion of people questioning whether we should be spending money on space travel to be offensively hypocritical.

Don't people realise that eventually, there will be no more room on Earth for all of us?

Don't kid yourself if you think we can or *should* just keep building.

Population levels will not back off from falling because as our technology and medicine become cheaper, more and more people will live longer, but the problem with that is there isn't enough space to feed and house them without turning massive amounts of land into agricultural land to feed us and more land, probably vertically, into residential spaces to house us.

At some point, there will be too many people to be supported by the available agricultural land so food we will need to be artificially "grown" by scientific means...

But do you see where that is heading ... ? ....

... artificiality ....

Personally, I'm an indoors person, but to think of our forests being cut down and not being able to breathe fresh air sounds like a really bad idea! So do we really want to turn our planet into one big city (aka ecumenopolis) and eat food that has been grown in labs?

Or do we want to spread out into the galaxy so that we can let the earth repair itself, like a planetary park, that families would visit for the weekend like they do these days when they visit Yellowstone National Park or Daintree Rainforest ??

we currently have the technology to send probes to the stars local to us. *yes* we do, *yes* they would cost trillions of dollars, and *yes* they would take hundreds of years to get there, and *yes* it would then take decades to 'beam' anything useful back, but by that time, we may just *need* to start planning to move off this planet in a couple of hundred years, so if we start *now*, we may be actually able to do something before the population hits critical mass and we run out of food/water/space/air/etc....

and who knows, there very well could be a nice little earth sized planet around Proxima Centauri with its own really powerful magnetic field to shield it from any flare ups from our closest interstellar neighbour...

what's that? what a waste of money? there are more important things to spend money on, right here on earth?

of course there are, but if we're going to stop wasting money on bullshit, what's with all the money that has been spent on useless wars?

the Americans have spent a trillion dollars on the Iraqi / Afghan war, see page 19 of this report for a nice graph, it's a PDF

but here it is

(it's so much easier to find information on USA government spending than it is on Australian government spending, even our own government lists off pretty graphs of other countries spending's before they do the same for Australia - *sigh*)

it's cost Australians about $130 dollars each as of 2008 (total $3 billion spent)
as of 2010, it's cost about $3000+ for each person in the USA, for what?

and this time, I'll refrain from mentioning that not only was the Iraqi war based on a lie, but legend has it, that it was Jesus Christ himself that told George W Bush to invade Iraq in the first place.

yeah, so if there are so much more important things to spend our money upon here on earth, then you can start fucking spending money on them or you can shut the fuck up

god is just your ego, get over yourself .... (religiorant)

there is one easy way to prove that god is not "real", have a look at the christians who aren't being christian and yet they still seem very adamant about saying that they believe in the stories of the bible..

the biggest story they believe, is probably the one where Jesus died for their sins...

no, that's ... not ... quite ... right...

Jesus died as an example of what you need to do, to save yourself from sinning... he wanted christians to go so far as to die on a cross *as*well* !!

"Get thee behind me, Satan!"

remember that one? that's what JC said when Peter dared to mention that Jesus not offer up his life to die on the cross... read the whole bible chapter, and don't just skim for the word "Satan" either... Matthew 16.

basically that chapter says that you can't even sin to save your life, even if your attacker is intentionally inflicting harm upon you. Remember "The Passion"? Remember how Jesus, the supposed son of god, just stood there and let them hurt him? remember that?

he didn't go do anything magical to stop everyone from killing him, he did the most selfless thing of any story that I can think of, he *let* himself be killed and he did that because that is what he wanted *everyone* to do...

That was the point of dying on the cross. Inflict no harm upon others by always showing them love - no matter how badly they are treating you.

The whoosh factor would seem to be very high for most christians

Q: so how can some christian *not* actually follow their Messiah, but then be so adamant about following the Messiah?

A: it's a different Jesus to the one that is supposedly written about in the bible.

The JC that people worship might be based on the dude in the bible, but somehow this Jesus that people openly and loudly believe in, just happens to be exactly what the believer wants him to be, how many christians have openly declared that JC died on the cross for their sins?

What sort of selfish bastard person would even think that, let alone say it out loud? How assuming is that? This heaven of yours, is not cost-free, you gotta fucking earn it, and bragging that you believe in Jesus is *not* how you get into heaven.

Only an extremely egotistical person could possibly think that the entire universe was made for them and them alone and that just by believing in some Messiah figure, they have a permanent direct line to Jesus and eternal life in the after-life.

Yes, of course Jesus is there all the time, it is their ego, pretending to be god itself...

and how can your ego ever be wrong if it thinks it's god?

non-believers aren't any different, not really, everyone is just as selfish as the next person, but at least the non-believers don't call their egos, "god". At least non-believers don't try to bend people to their will whilst unknowingly pretending to be the creator of the fucking universe!


consider that there is no "god", but instead that a particular person's "god" is actually that person's own ego: now apply that thinking here:

what sort of god would forgive all of your sins? - what sort of god would create a universe just for you, put earth right in the exact middle of it, and provide the exact circumstances required just for you and your species to live? - what sort of god just happens to want all the things that you want? - what sort of god has the same moralistic values that you have? - and how could you possibly know the will of that god? - what sort of god makes you a moral person just by believing that it exists? - what sort of god would let you get away with just believing in it, while you are getting the supposed teachings of the god you based your version of god upon so grossly wrong? - and finally, what sort of god just happens to change its mind on all of those things in exact synchronisation with your *current* beliefs throughout your whole *entire* god-believing-life?

How can god change its values in exact co-ordination with *you* if *you* weren't god itself? well?

what sort of god could it be, if that god didn't just happen to be your ego in disguise? god is *you* - it is your *ego* - regardless of whether there really is a god or not

this is the source of my rejection of someone's personal/religious god, it's not that I won't believe in their god, or that I don't believe it even exists, or that it's impossible to exist at all, or that it's fucking stupid; it's just that they aren't following what the god they think that they are following said to do in the first place, they're just following what their ego-god wants them to do...

They are picking and choosing the facets that they want in their god - thus making their own god which just happens to be exactly what their ego wants. The ego and god are in perfect sync because they are the same. It's obvious isn't it?

if you think that *your* word alone on some subject, is in fact the word of god, the only way you could know that for sure is if you were in constant contact with god, that feeling you have of god lurking there with you, well, that's *you*, that's your ego going, "go for it son!"

so if god is your ego, then of course god is "real" to the believer, it is very real in fact, but that does not make it real to anyone else, and speaking as if for god, well, that's bad... m'kay?...


i think the "battles" between believers and non-believers are doomed to always fail as believers and non-believers both argue from their emotional point of view...

but there isn't a common emotional ground between the believer and non-believer when it comes to "believing", so while they may be speaking to each other, they are not communicating...

Nietzsche said something along the lines that if the "tone" of what you are saying is not sympathetic towards the person you are talking to, they will not "hear" what you have to say..

"We often refuse to accept an idea merely because the tone of voice in which it has been expressed is unsympathetic to us." - Friedrich Nietzsche.

believers "believe" because of emotions, so they won't "hear" you unless you are sympathetic to their feelings, because they're selfish, their egos are in control....

"i am god, unless you are nice to me, thou's offensive words shalt not be heard....."--[ego-god]

When a person's ego is their god, well, why do you think some people *SNAP* at the mere scent of an objection to their god existing? we have all seen this plenty of times...

me: bah! the bible is CRAP!
xtian: how dare you say God doesn't exist!
me: uhmm.. i didn't say that, i said the bible is crap!
xtian: there it is, you said it again!
me: uhmm, no just because the bible is crap, there still could be a god
xtian: ohhh... but you should still believe in Jesus...
me: *facepalm*

it happens so much that the above little anecdote is probably a blurring of multiple events, but in essence, it's insulting to the non-believer to talk about belief in fairy tales as if they were fact and it's insulting to the believer to entertain an actual conversation with someone who does not even have beliefs!! perish the thought!

and yes, non-believers also argue from their emotional point of view because non-believers can be passionate about explaining the truth in terms of actual facts, as opposed to say, being passionate for arguing the truth, in terms of old stories, with their own word, or the word of some book that they probably haven't even read or understood even if they did read it, and seriously, none of these scriptures will make sense unless you read the whole chapters, and reading multiple different versions to compare and contrast helps as well. And what believer can actually be bothered to do that? not many - not many at all

if people weren't so passionate about their ideas of the universe and how other people had the "wrong" ideas, then would they bother to try and explain how the other person has it wrong? if they weren't passionate about their point of view, would they even bother to *facepalm* at those who are stupid? would they even bother call them stupid?

would they even bother to say something like....


if they weren't passionate about their "beliefs" in science and reality??

believers argue out of ignorance with what they arrogantly "know" to be true - pride is an emotion, right? pride leads a person to take up the judgemental attitudes of "my way is better" or "my way is god's way"... you keep telling yourself that and you'll put your own ideas first without considering another person's point of view, so a person like this is too prideful and arrogant to accept that they could be wrong....

so some people, when they see something they don't understand or like, they make a judgement based on what their ego tells them about it to try and explain it, which is usually something weak and superfluous...

xtian: "oh god told me that that science of yours is evil!"

me: " uhmmm .... 'god' told you? okay ... uhmm no, not likely! at a rough guess I would say that your ego told you that science is evil because YOU don't understand it. And you don't understand it because you are too lazy to put in the effort to learn about science, or you are too embarrassed to ask about scientific matters now because you used to be one of the ones in class that didn't pay attention or made sure that everyone couldn't learn either, aren't you? so *you* need a really big 'reason' to out-trump the fact that in your ignorance you still don't know anything about science, and so you get this panicked sort of feeling each time you encounter something you just don't understand, and it's like 'oh what the fuck is that, it messes with my mind!! that's scary!! god save me god god pray pray pray god god' ... so you play the 'god card'... 'ah! it's evil! god said it was evil, all is good now!'.... i mean, if the supreme being of the universe says it's evil and you should not worry about it, then who are you to argue, right, at a guess?"

xtian: "ohhhh *you* are evil!"

me: *facepalm* "Hail Satan!"

people get this one idea about god, and their ego just *runs* and goes ballistic with it, because your ego loves this idea of god, it's *awesome*, the ego loves that this god is going to give it everlasting life and that it knows everything, so you don't need to worry about stuff that you don't know, "phooey to you Mr Scientist", and all you have to do is .... believe in it .... and in that moment, your ego, becomes god.... and it will always forgive you as well, no matter how much of a cunt you are to everyone... in fact, it will forgive you especially if you are a cunt


Some believers are addicted, like people are addicted to drugs or chocolate or whatever. Yeah, one more bite of chocolate isn't going to hurt, now is it?

but the god addiction is worse, the ego thinks that it *is* god and it's also feeding that delusion as well, that's how people get to crazy crazy ideas, they just didn't go to the level of thinking in one hit, they get to crazy crazy in degrees.

think of this god-feedback-loop in the same way it would be if you somehow said hello to someone in a magic mirror everyday and not even realise that the person you were talking to, was actually you, and everyday, you would leave this encounter with yourself always feeling, at least, a little bit better about yourself, because that person you see everyday knows exactly what to say to you to give you the pick-me-up that you need.

so to keep the mirror analogy going, the "ego-god" is a reflection of you and everything that *you* want ...

same thing happens to fanatic believers when confronted with the "truth" about god, because what if it turns out that that initial idea, or even one of the subsequent ideas that formed the basis of somebody's belief in god, what if those ideas turn out to be *wrong*? your ego went on this great big rant for decades - poor thing!

so when confronted with this contradiction that it just can't accept after *everything* it went through, after all that time it spent believing in this creature called god, that it would get to this point and *somebody* would then have the audacity to deem the god-ego to be *wrong*.. because if "god" turned out to be wrong, it would call into question *every* other thing in their lives as potentially being wrong as well...

and people can't stand that - it's why they think their lives will collapse without god - being held to ransom by your own mind must be pretty scary.

it's happened to me, kind of, in that I just couldn't accept Einstein's theory of relativity, and I still don't "get" it completely, I thought "well, if it's true, then surely it can be measured?" ... and it has ... Atomic clocks have been used on jet planes and satellites to verify Einstein's theory of relativity, the basic need to account for relativity is because time up in space is moving faster than it is here on earth. Yes - it *is*.

"Relativity is not just some abstract mathematical theory: understanding it is absolutely essential for our global navigation system to work properly!"

good thing my ego wasn't so big that it called itself *god* on the matter of relativity, because then it might say - "no fucking way I was wrong, because *god* also don't either believe in no relativity as well, so how can *I* be wrong, right?"

yes non-believers can be judgemental too, but non-believers don't follow any holy scripture that says they should refrain from being judgemental.

So as a non-believer, when *I* say somebody is wrong, *I* do it in the name of *my* ego, I don't invoke the name of god, my ego is not pretending to be so important that it's in league with or *is* the creator of the frikking universe!

idolatrous, holier-than-thou believers use god to prop up their egos, and being with god gives them a free pass to being absolutely right about the things that their god just happens to believe in as well.

how else can a believer know the will of god? why else would god have made the entire universe just for us? with just the exact right conditions to feed, clothe, heat and water us? with just the right tint of blue in the sky? with just the right shade of grey for the clouds? how else if not for your ego being so up-itself that it would be so conceited as to think that it was *that* special???

so given that their egos are so big, there is no *point* in arguing with extreme believers about my emotional viewpoint on matters of god, science, or history, which is often along the lines of...

oh you stupid fucking dumbarse lying cunt SPACE IS NOT AN OCEAN - you were one of those fucking idiots who didn't fucking pay attention in school, weren't you? you obviously live in a dumb arse part of the world as well - because no-one could possibly fucking say what you just fucking did and think they could get away with it unless you knew that everyone within 50 miles of you believed the same fucking dumbarse thing because no-one would be in their right minds to say such a thing for fear of dropping dead due to pure embarrassment of believing such utter crap!

but in reality, i am much more inclined to 'say' something far more polite...


actually, that's often the last thing those people will see me post, as I block them soon after.... I dwell too much on how people arrive at their dumbarseness - it's not healthy - oh and I just can only escalate from there so rather than have to be rude to them..... well, i'm sure someone told you about the rule of not having anything nice to say, then don't say it, right?

i block people that assume they have something to be offended about when it comes to their precious god. ie. often I will accidentally do some sort of Jedi mind trick on the weak minded (this happens often when you speak fluent Sarcasm) and say something that they over extend into their own personal point of view. eg. a simulated conversation, not too far removed from reality, mind you, as I've had this sort of actual conversation with christians more often than I care to remember:

XTIAN: "'The Force' isn't real"

ME: "LOL at the blasphemy!!!! the bible is a crock of shit too!"

XTIAN: "WHAT! how dare you say god doesn't exist! just who is committing blasphemy?"

ME: "snap! this shit again! No, I didn't say that god does *not* exist, I said the bible is a crock of shit, ie. it's not real!"

XTIAN: "but that would imply that you mean god does not exist"

ME: "no! it does not! just because the bible is a crock of shit, it does not mean that your precious god doesn't exist, I am saying that if your god does exist, that your bible probably has it wrong, at least in some small way such that it is a waste of time to take any of it literally because there is no way to know what is literally accurate or not so you should just ignore the details about the bible and you should just follow the underlying message of peaceful relations with everyone, I mean that was the point of the bible, right?"

XTIAN: "oooohhh i get it, why didn't you just say that in the first place?"

ME: "arrrg! why don't you stop making assumptions, you know, like your precious Jesus said not to do when he said 'judge not lest thee be judged' and maybe you could go buy yourself a sense of humour as well?"

XTIAN: "I'm not making assumptions, Jesus is *real*"

ME: "*facepalms*"

XTIAN: "what's a facepalm?"

ME: *blocks*

so *yeah* god is real, it's your real fucking ego!!....

and here's the "proof", because if god wasn't in the ego, then there would be no need to go on a rant about god not existing when "provoked" by the slightest inference that god doesn't exist, and if I didn't have an ego I wouldn't be here complaining that people were calling their own frikking egos, "god"!! a true believer in god, would just accept that there *is* a god, and set about at least trying to do what the basic message of the religion for that god taught, and in the case of christianity, the underlying message is "be frikking nice!"

given that believers can't even discuss their religion civilly, there is no *point* in arguing the non-believers' emotional point of view. in essence, the non-believer needs to combine their logic and wisdom, with their own compassion in being able to put themselves into the mindset of what-ever religion the believer they are arguing with, actually teaches.

in other words: it's easy to tell someone that they *are* stupid pricks for believing, but there is no point unless you can speak to them on their own level, about their own emotional needs for believing in the first place.

well there is one point, some people actually do need to be treated like children, at least sometimes:

XTIAN: "i heard that the stars twinkle because the earth's magnetic field is unstable and failing!"

ME: "no no no, that's just not true, the stars don't twinkle because of that! where the frak did you get that stupid idea?" ..

XTIAN: "oh, my uhmm, my dad said it" ..

ME: "well, you tell your dad, that the stars twinkle because of the heat in the atmosphere, it's the same sort of thing that happens when you see the heat coming off the road or the stove, the heated air distorts the light coming from further away because all the molecules are buzzing around so much from the heat, that the air becomes some sort of fuzzy lens that is constantly moving around because of the wind, and that's why the stars twinkle, the air is flying around up there, with pockets of warmer or colder air, and as it passes through those pockets of different temperature air, it makes the light bounce off into different directions, randomly." ...

XTIAN: "oh my dad said not to listen to people like you with your science and logic, he said you were agents of Satan, and that it was god's will that the magnetic field fail because we're all sinners!" ..

ME: *facepalms* ... "whatever! and 'yes' I will have fries with that, that's why I asked for the 'value meal', and 'no' I didn't ask for a coke, I wanted a water, which is why i said 'with a water'... maybe if you had paid attention in school you'd be able to concentrate for the ten seconds it *should* have taken for me to place my order?"

XTIAN: "oh, I am still at school!"

ME: *grrrrr*

the true trick to the religious war, is to argue from the emotional standpoint of the religious person, because you won't change somebody's mind with your little facts and empirical evidence..


no, the tides go in and out because of the moon
no, the moon stays in orbit because of earth
no, the earth stays in orbit because of the sun
no, the sun stays in orbit of the galaxy because of the combined mass of many stars and a super massive black-hole at the centre of the milky way
no, you don't "got me", the milky way is gravitationally bound to other galaxies in the immediate region of galactic space
no, the local group of galaxies is bound gravitationally to the Virgo galactic super cluster
no, the Virgo group is attracted to an area of space called the "Great Attractor"
no, you don't "got me now", it just means that we don't know yet.

if anything, what should be done when challenged by someone who is just going to contradict everything you say is, "I'm not playing this game of yours, you've obviously got the internet, type 'tides moon earth gravity' into the search bar of your browser, and go figure it out yourself, come back with specific questions, if you must"...

so I say, *let* them have their precious god, but argue with them on *their* emotional level, argue knowing full well that this god of theirs, is their ego...

tell them *how* they have their religion wrong, instead of merely saying *that* they have their religion wrong.

for instance:

I would say to Bill O'Reilly, "Bill, what the frak does the tides coming and going have to do with actually following Jesus' teachings of 'love thy neighbour'?"

to people going on about how the frikking year is proof of Jesus I would say "ahem, guys, what does the year have to do with actually following Jesus' teachings of 'love thy neighbour'?

to people who say "Praise Jesus" all the time; "what does just saying 'Praise Jesus' have to do with actually following Jesus' teachings of 'love thy neighbour'?"

one simple question:

what does *any* of what some christian is rambling on about, have to do with actually following Jesus' teachings of 'love thy neighbour'?

well? could it be "nothing"? well, could you stop committing idolatry then? because if there really is a Jesus, you're just pissing him the-fuck off!

this is my wager;

it's better to not follow any religion whatsoever, than it is to choose one of the many, and make the wrong decision, or even make the right decision but then just not bother to actually follow that religion correctly...


Jesus was that dude who was so bereft of selfishness, that he didn't even try to save himself from being murdered on the cross... which was the whole point of the dying on the cross metaphor, and yet, ironically, the most ego-less character of all time, Jesus Christ, is the same guy that a large proportion of Western society is selfishly just saying that they believe in

Jesus was saying; "here I am, I died on the cross, not for your sins, but as an example of selflessness, in order to give you an example of the sort of behaviour you should aspire to, to stop you from committing sin in the first place"

and who is to say, that just because Jesus forgives you, that you have escaped your punishment, anyway? what sort of Jesus would forgive you, and let you get away with all the bullshit you've done in your life, other than the Jesus-god-ego creature you worship?

god is in the ego....

mostly written 29th Jan 2011, mostly... you know, christians should probably stop telling me to read their bible....

the religious should not read these blogs, they *will* be offended

these are my rantings about religion - i speak fluent sarcasm - know this when you are reading and it will save you some heartache.