Friday, 21 October 2011

it takes more faith, to not have faith.... (religion v science)

Believers have it easy because it takes more "faith", to *not* have faith, because if you are a believer with faith in god, then "god" is the answer for everything which you don't understand, or more likely, don't *want* to understand, but that's okay, because a lot of knowledge is utterly useless if you don't know what to do with it anyway, so why bother learning anything intricate if it doesn't really have any application in the here and now for you? there are smarter people in the world than you anyway, let them do all the heavy thinking.

but now, take the non-believer: they don't get to palm off explanations to a god, so the non-believer requires more "faith" in their own abilities to use their own judgement and their own understanding of the universe to be able to encounter life as a non-believer than it does to just have godly faith and think that "god did it" and thereby have all the answers for all the big questions about life the universe and everything already....

imagine being a believer and looking up at the sky and thinking "wow! isn't it great how god stops the sky from falling on me?" and then there's the poor non-believer who looks at the sky and has to go through all of that thinking "wow, isn't it amazing that the earth's gravity keeps the heavier elements like nitrogen, oxygen and carbon closer to the surface of the earth in such abundance that I am thus able to breathe this atmosphere?"

think of how much easier gravity, special relativity, quantum entanglement and many other complicated scientific fields could be if you just ran with the knowledge that they are all part of god's handiwork, so why think about that complicated stuff at all when god did it?

"Bah! Quantum mechanics! who cares about that stuff, god did it!"

if my faith in a god was supposed to explain the universe, then why think about any of it *any* further, doesn't thinking about it further just demonstrate that I don't believe in god? Why do I need to keep going on about what god has done if I actually had faith?

that's where many believers are being dicks, as it amazes me how many people try to use their own pseudo-religio-science to explain the universe, whereas if they really had faith in their god, they would just let go of trying to use their scriptures to explain everything and just have faith that their god *is* the answer, because, after all, the whole point of being religious is *not* to look for signs and proof that god exists and then tell everyone "hey look! here's proof of god!" ...

the point of having faith, after all, is to teach that religious person how to be a moral and well meaning person, right?


but in the case of the non-believer, do they not need to possess more "faith" in their understanding of the universe in order to explain the universe? it's not like as a non-believer you can just go "oh Einstein figured that out" and that's the end of that, no... the non-believer is expected to at least be of the understanding that what they know, could very well be wrong.

seriously, to be a non-believer, if you can't just shove "god did it" out there as an answer to anything, then you are going to have to think about it and then you have to have "faith" in your answer to be able to go on with life, I mean, you've got to know exactly what makes teh sun rise when you don't believe that "god did it", right? ... you gotta know why teh sky is blue, otherwise it will just fall down upon you, right?

the sciency people..

Q. why is the sky blue?!?
A. because of the atmosphere!
Q. how?
A. because the molecules of air, scatter blue light in all directions
Q. how?
A. because the frequency of redder light is such that it can pass through the air relatively unimpeded, but the bluer light has just the right frequency such that the size of the air molecules, effectively makes the air a prism that can scatter light that is bluer.
Q. how?
A. go read up on it yourself, i don't know anymore than that

the god-did-it people

Q. why is the sky blue?
A. that's how god made it

or ... ***OR*** ... you could just say "I don't know!" and then just be fucking happy that it doesn't really matter in the here and now about how the sun rises, you just need to go by the evidence, that it *does* rise.

so scratch the topic of the blog .... because in fact, it takes far *less* faith to just say "I don't know", you can then move on to more important things, you know, things that actually matter, or maybe it takes **more** faith to just let the whole thing go by saying "i don't know?"?

now i am confused - LOL - but I don't care ...

but more or less, when it comes to my understanding of the universe, i had to work at getting to that level of understanding in the first place, and in turn, i have faith in my understanding of how the universe evolved, but I am fully aware that it is probably wrong, but that's the *fun* thing about science, and I am welcome to change my mind about my "faith", because unlike the religious, who aren't supposed to be changing their minds about shit, seeing how their holy books that describe the unchanging perfect god of theirs were written centuries ago....


god is perfect, right? things that are perfect don't need to change because if they did, they would no longer be perfect.


Thursday, 20 October 2011

what does that have to do with being a good person? (religiorant)

i think atheists waste a lot of time telling christian fundamentalists that their religion is wrong ...

one thing that just seems to befuddle christians, that the atheists don't seem to latch onto, is the fact that "christians" *have* fallen victim to this hol(e)y story of theirs nor do atheists point out to christians how grossly *wrong* they have gotten their precious christianity ...

for example: instead of merely saying that their religion is total crap, I would ask the believer to explain just what exactly does this crap they are prattling on about have to do with being this "good" person that being a christian supposedly makes them....


I occasionally see stories about Noah and his ark, and I can't help myself to "debunk" it - but this is very easy to do - it is - I actually deleted about a page of stuff from this blog to do with how stupid it is - so instead of wasting my time by saying that Noah's flood is an impossibility and how utterly idiotic it is (saying the same thing over and over again is like banging your head against a brick wall, is it not?), I would instead ask the believer to explain to me just what does a story about an ark full of animals have to do with being this good person that being a christian supposedly makes you?

this applies to anything "christian" in fact, as the entire point of christianity was for believers to be good people, right?

at least, that's what we keep being told, believers keep on telling non-believers that they must "believe" in Jesus, just like them, in order to be a "good" "moral" person as well

so i reckon the non-believers should take advantage of people that insist on professing their christian propaganda that proclaims them to be good moral people, and point out that how proud you are of them for.........

* selling all their things and giving that money they make to the poor and needy (Mar 10:21, Luk 18:22, Mat 19:21)
* for not being judgemental (Mat 7:1)
* for not praying in public (Mat 6:6)
* for not bragging that they do good things (Mat 6:1)
* for being tolerant and compassionate towards everyone (Mat 5:43-44, Mat 19:19, Mat 22:39, Luk 10:27, Mar 12:31, Rom 13:9, Gal 5:14, Jam 2:8)

What's that? they don't do *any* of that stuff?


It is clear to me that "christians" are not awake to the massive lie they are feeding themselves, so by talking to "christians" in their sleep and whispering to them as they slumber what their messiah actually taught, it may just snap them out of their comatose state of ignorance.

who can seriously be christian?

come on!!!

people are too selfish to live up to Jesus Christ's teachings; sell all my things and give that to the needy? I don't think so, I (at least partially) earned my easy life by putting in the hard slog at school and university and at work ..

I give to the needy on very rare occasions, so I have no right to call myself christian, but in the USA there seems to be a plague of people that insist that they believe, by simply saying that they believe!

In Australia, we have a 60% christian population - apparently - but anybody who talks about Jesus like he's the bees knees is very likely to get mocked or at the very least told to keep their religion to themselves if it's not the topic of conversation.

In other words, there is more of a tendency to keep your religion to yourself in Australia, as demonstrated by how even the religious tell the more fanatic religious types to stop being stupid idiots - in fact - it would be fair to say that the majority of "christians" merely saying that they christian, are in the USA... (maybe the internet presents a biased demographic in this regard?)

I can only think of a handful of Australian religious fruit cakes - not to say that there aren't any but they certainly don't make it obvious they are Jesus freaks - at least not in real life!..

For instance, I'm sure I've heard Australian christians refer to crazy/stupid/loud/annoying "christians" as "Jesus Freaks" ... ie. being a Jesus Freak and being an actual christian (or at least not bragging that you are a christian) are two different things.

the USA has a critical mass of Jesus Freaks who merely confess to believing in Jesus like that is supposed to make them good people, somehow - but what the fuck does that have to do with being a good person? ...

How does *just* saying that you are christian make you a good person? It does not! If you think it does then you are telling a *massive* lie. Just because you say something a million times, it still doesn't make it true.


It's quite fascinating to see the sheer volume of people professing to be christian but are unwittingly breaking their own christian rules - or rather - they aren't following their rules to begin with instead they just say that they are christian - as if it was supposed to mean something.

"I'm a christian and Jesus died on the cross for my sins"

no, that's not right, but even so, even if he did die on the cross to cancel out your sins, then so fucking WHAT? Thta doesn't mean you get to be a cunt, that doesn't mean you are going to heaven *regardless* of what you do.

The bible says that you have to *DO* good deeds for those in need, to be christian ... If you don't do good things for the needy - you are not a christian - if you continue to say that you a christian - then you are lying because if you claim to be following Jesus and don't help the needy, then you are worshipping a false Jesus, and that breaks the first commandment and there's a special place in hell for that particular sin.

This blatant "just say you are a christian", at least in the USA, I suspect, is the result of putting "in god we trust" on your money and similar statements into pledges that are recited almost daily: people end up *just* believing, without knowing what they believe in, so it's hardly any surprise that there are homeless and otherwise needy people, in spite of how the primary commandments from their Jesus, instructs christians to *love* everyone, and loving everyone, means *helping* everyone who needs help.

so indeed - what the fuck does all this other shit like Santa, Christmas, Easter, Easter Bunny, Popes, miracles, church and even Jesus Christ himself - none of that has anything to do with *being* a good person ...

think about it ... none of it matters ... as none of it is anything to do with helping the needy, which is quite clearly what the bible says you need to do to get into heaven.

So if you don't help the needy - then you aren't going to heaven ...

and all of this is why you should never even confess to being a christian in public, as you are supposed to *earn* this title of being Christ-like, by helping others.... not by merely making an idolatrous confession that you believe in Jesus because it means *nothing* at all to just believe in this Jesus dude.

written mostly on 22nd July 2011, mostly

Wednesday, 19 October 2011

generalising about christians? who? moi?.. (religiorant)

recently, it was speculated that I lump all christians into the "you are a dumbarse" basket...

this is not true, if I were to lump all christians into the dumbarse bucket, I would quite clearly say it with no possible room for misinterpretation of what I meant...

ie. If I mean to say that all christians are dumbarses, I would quite explicitly say that "ALL CHRISTIANS ARE DUMBARSES"

and I would probably type it all in upper case as well, just like above, just to make sure that "christians" didn't miss my message, however, not that I can remember everything that i've ever said and done, but I strongly doubt that I have said or written such a thing, and if I did the context of what was said would probably be important ....

if I say that christians are dumbarses (or something similar) and someone comes along and thinks that statement applies to *all* christians as some blanket generalisation about every self claimed christian on earth, then that person has gone and read more into what I have said or they have ignored the context of what I have said or they have extrapolated their own meaning from my words.

I consider this to be an offensive assumption, because this person has a) made up something around what I have said and then b) gotten angry at the thing that they have made up and then c) they have then taken out their anger on me... fuck you, cunt face!!

one thing that insecure believers have often read into my words is that i've said that god doesn't exist - this is bullshit - i would have to be god itself to know that god doesn't exist -- so if i do say that god doesn't exist, you must have missed the rest of what i was saying.

And if you did miss something I said, or chose to ignore what I said, then it is your obligation to ask questions to find out what I actually meant, you know, instead of flying off the handle like some poor little girly skirt that has been blown up about your ears by the wind.

If you don't ask questions, then keep your offensive assumptions to yourself, because if you invent something to get upset about based on my words, then that is your problem, it's not my problem if you wish to perpetuate your own ignorance.

If you don't ask questions, then you are choosing to be ignorant, and that is your fault, and if you get mad at me over something that is your fault, I'm not going to be very nice to you about that something.


I once tried to separate the two "classes" of christians, "regular" and "fucktard" .... ie. I would be careful to use proper politically correct language so as to not offend someone who may by offended over something that I may say ....

but it's become very apparent after spending several years interacting with "christians" on the internet, that there is no need for me to refrain from explicitly saying that "only some" christians are fucktards, or that "only some" christians are bigots, or that "only some" christians are blah blah blahh blah

Because *why* should I bother?

I don't hear anywhere near enough "real" christians saying that "ohh not all atheists are bad", so why should I give a fuck if I generalise when christians don't give a fuck when they are generalising? hypocrite much?

The reason for this is quite simple, and this works in both a positive and a negative way.

If people want to complain that I am generalising the "nice" christians in with the dumbarse christians, then stop right there.

What's the point in telling me? The *ONLY* way to shut me the fuck up is to make the problem go away, and *I* am most certainly not the problem, so whinging to me, is merely a recipe to inspire me to point out MORE "christians" being fucktards.

And there is also the embarrassment factor of not reading what I've written properly, or read what I wrote *AT*ALL* ... I've seen plenty of people do that too. The amount of times people have gone off at me for my alleged comments that their god didn't exist when I said nothing of the sort, is quite pathetic. On more than a few occasions I have pointed out how crap the bible is and in response I have had exclamations that decry my apparent denouncing that god doesn't exist. The word "god" doesn't even appear in the phrase "the bible is a stinking pile of bull shit" and yet stupid fucktarded "christians" suffering from dumbarsitis insist that I have said that their precious and fucking stupid god doesn't exist ...


And what sort of fuck does any true believer give over what **I** have to say about their religion?

Who died and made me an globally recognised authority on your religion? paranoid-fucking-much? hmmmm?

All I am doing is pointing out the fucking obvious, my words are not the problem. If you find my words to be a problem, then it is YOU THAT HAS THE PROBLEM, because the ONLY thing you do by telling me not to generalise, is confirm that I AM RIGHT and that all christians *do* deserve to be placed into the same dumbarse bucket as the "Bad christians".

somebody: "not all christians are FUCKTARDS, you know?"

that's right, if you feel the need to tell me to take it easy on christians, then don't bother.

Instead, get off your fat lazy holy arse and go tell the fucktarded christians to pull their fucking heads in, yourself, either that, or don't whinge to me for trying to clean up your fucking abomination of a religion by trying to call out your extremist fucktard believers on their bullshit.

all you achieve by telling me to take it easy on christians is to inspire me to do go and do that more often, and louder, and to top off all of this: any *true* christian would forgive me for any offence I caused them with my generalisations towards them in the first place, not that I have seen hide nor hair of an actual christian in at least a few decades - if *ever* - as my memory isn't that good.

oh and if you don't like what I have to say, then GOOD, that's the point.

written mostly on 9th March 2011 ... mostly ....

Tuesday, 18 October 2011

more important things to spend money on at home, than on space travel? (science v idiots)

I often see people complain in space exploration forums that there are more important things to spend our money on than running around the solar system checking out stuff for no other reason than to see if there is stuff there to check out.

well, maybe there is, but I find the whole notion of people questioning whether we should be spending money on space travel to be offensively hypocritical.

Don't people realise that eventually, there will be no more room on Earth for all of us?

Don't kid yourself if you think we can or *should* just keep building.

Population levels will not back off from falling because as our technology and medicine become cheaper, more and more people will live longer, but the problem with that is there isn't enough space to feed and house them without turning massive amounts of land into agricultural land to feed us and more land, probably vertically, into residential spaces to house us.

At some point, there will be too many people to be supported by the available agricultural land so food we will need to be artificially "grown" by scientific means...

But do you see where that is heading ... ? ....

... artificiality ....

Personally, I'm an indoors person, but to think of our forests being cut down and not being able to breathe fresh air sounds like a really bad idea! So do we really want to turn our planet into one big city (aka ecumenopolis) and eat food that has been grown in labs?

Or do we want to spread out into the galaxy so that we can let the earth repair itself, like a planetary park, that families would visit for the weekend like they do these days when they visit Yellowstone National Park or Daintree Rainforest ??

we currently have the technology to send probes to the stars local to us. *yes* we do, *yes* they would cost trillions of dollars, and *yes* they would take hundreds of years to get there, and *yes* it would then take decades to 'beam' anything useful back, but by that time, we may just *need* to start planning to move off this planet in a couple of hundred years, so if we start *now*, we may be actually able to do something before the population hits critical mass and we run out of food/water/space/air/etc....

and who knows, there very well could be a nice little earth sized planet around Proxima Centauri with its own really powerful magnetic field to shield it from any flare ups from our closest interstellar neighbour...

what's that? what a waste of money? there are more important things to spend money on, right here on earth?

of course there are, but if we're going to stop wasting money on bullshit, what's with all the money that has been spent on useless wars?

the Americans have spent a trillion dollars on the Iraqi / Afghan war, see page 19 of this report for a nice graph, it's a PDF

but here it is

(it's so much easier to find information on USA government spending than it is on Australian government spending, even our own government lists off pretty graphs of other countries spending's before they do the same for Australia - *sigh*)

it's cost Australians about $130 dollars each as of 2008 (total $3 billion spent)
as of 2010, it's cost about $3000+ for each person in the USA, for what?

and this time, I'll refrain from mentioning that not only was the Iraqi war based on a lie, but legend has it, that it was Jesus Christ himself that told George W Bush to invade Iraq in the first place.

yeah, so if there are so much more important things to spend our money upon here on earth, then you can start fucking spending money on them or you can shut the fuck up

god is just your ego, get over yourself .... (religiorant)

there is one easy way to prove that god is not "real", have a look at the christians who aren't being christian and yet they still seem very adamant about saying that they believe in the stories of the bible..

the biggest story they believe, is probably the one where Jesus died for their sins...

no, that's ... not ... quite ... right...

Jesus died as an example of what you need to do, to save yourself from sinning... he wanted christians to go so far as to die on a cross *as*well* !!

"Get thee behind me, Satan!"

remember that one? that's what JC said when Peter dared to mention that Jesus not offer up his life to die on the cross... read the whole bible chapter, and don't just skim for the word "Satan" either... Matthew 16.

basically that chapter says that you can't even sin to save your life, even if your attacker is intentionally inflicting harm upon you. Remember "The Passion"? Remember how Jesus, the supposed son of god, just stood there and let them hurt him? remember that?

he didn't go do anything magical to stop everyone from killing him, he did the most selfless thing of any story that I can think of, he *let* himself be killed and he did that because that is what he wanted *everyone* to do...

That was the point of dying on the cross. Inflict no harm upon others by always showing them love - no matter how badly they are treating you.

The whoosh factor would seem to be very high for most christians

Q: so how can some christian *not* actually follow their Messiah, but then be so adamant about following the Messiah?

A: it's a different Jesus to the one that is supposedly written about in the bible.

The JC that people worship might be based on the dude in the bible, but somehow this Jesus that people openly and loudly believe in, just happens to be exactly what the believer wants him to be, how many christians have openly declared that JC died on the cross for their sins?

What sort of selfish bastard person would even think that, let alone say it out loud? How assuming is that? This heaven of yours, is not cost-free, you gotta fucking earn it, and bragging that you believe in Jesus is *not* how you get into heaven.

Only an extremely egotistical person could possibly think that the entire universe was made for them and them alone and that just by believing in some Messiah figure, they have a permanent direct line to Jesus and eternal life in the after-life.

Yes, of course Jesus is there all the time, it is their ego, pretending to be god itself...

and how can your ego ever be wrong if it thinks it's god?

non-believers aren't any different, not really, everyone is just as selfish as the next person, but at least the non-believers don't call their egos, "god". At least non-believers don't try to bend people to their will whilst unknowingly pretending to be the creator of the fucking universe!


consider that there is no "god", but instead that a particular person's "god" is actually that person's own ego: now apply that thinking here:

what sort of god would forgive all of your sins? - what sort of god would create a universe just for you, put earth right in the exact middle of it, and provide the exact circumstances required just for you and your species to live? - what sort of god just happens to want all the things that you want? - what sort of god has the same moralistic values that you have? - and how could you possibly know the will of that god? - what sort of god makes you a moral person just by believing that it exists? - what sort of god would let you get away with just believing in it, while you are getting the supposed teachings of the god you based your version of god upon so grossly wrong? - and finally, what sort of god just happens to change its mind on all of those things in exact synchronisation with your *current* beliefs throughout your whole *entire* god-believing-life?

How can god change its values in exact co-ordination with *you* if *you* weren't god itself? well?

what sort of god could it be, if that god didn't just happen to be your ego in disguise? god is *you* - it is your *ego* - regardless of whether there really is a god or not

this is the source of my rejection of someone's personal/religious god, it's not that I won't believe in their god, or that I don't believe it even exists, or that it's impossible to exist at all, or that it's fucking stupid; it's just that they aren't following what the god they think that they are following said to do in the first place, they're just following what their ego-god wants them to do...

They are picking and choosing the facets that they want in their god - thus making their own god which just happens to be exactly what their ego wants. The ego and god are in perfect sync because they are the same. It's obvious isn't it?

if you think that *your* word alone on some subject, is in fact the word of god, the only way you could know that for sure is if you were in constant contact with god, that feeling you have of god lurking there with you, well, that's *you*, that's your ego going, "go for it son!"

so if god is your ego, then of course god is "real" to the believer, it is very real in fact, but that does not make it real to anyone else, and speaking as if for god, well, that's bad... m'kay?...


i think the "battles" between believers and non-believers are doomed to always fail as believers and non-believers both argue from their emotional point of view...

but there isn't a common emotional ground between the believer and non-believer when it comes to "believing", so while they may be speaking to each other, they are not communicating...

Nietzsche said something along the lines that if the "tone" of what you are saying is not sympathetic towards the person you are talking to, they will not "hear" what you have to say..

"We often refuse to accept an idea merely because the tone of voice in which it has been expressed is unsympathetic to us." - Friedrich Nietzsche.

believers "believe" because of emotions, so they won't "hear" you unless you are sympathetic to their feelings, because they're selfish, their egos are in control....

"i am god, unless you are nice to me, thou's offensive words shalt not be heard....."--[ego-god]

When a person's ego is their god, well, why do you think some people *SNAP* at the mere scent of an objection to their god existing? we have all seen this plenty of times...

me: bah! the bible is CRAP!
xtian: how dare you say God doesn't exist!
me: uhmm.. i didn't say that, i said the bible is crap!
xtian: there it is, you said it again!
me: uhmm, no just because the bible is crap, there still could be a god
xtian: ohhh... but you should still believe in Jesus...
me: *facepalm*

it happens so much that the above little anecdote is probably a blurring of multiple events, but in essence, it's insulting to the non-believer to talk about belief in fairy tales as if they were fact and it's insulting to the believer to entertain an actual conversation with someone who does not even have beliefs!! perish the thought!

and yes, non-believers also argue from their emotional point of view because non-believers can be passionate about explaining the truth in terms of actual facts, as opposed to say, being passionate for arguing the truth, in terms of old stories, with their own word, or the word of some book that they probably haven't even read or understood even if they did read it, and seriously, none of these scriptures will make sense unless you read the whole chapters, and reading multiple different versions to compare and contrast helps as well. And what believer can actually be bothered to do that? not many - not many at all

if people weren't so passionate about their ideas of the universe and how other people had the "wrong" ideas, then would they bother to try and explain how the other person has it wrong? if they weren't passionate about their point of view, would they even bother to *facepalm* at those who are stupid? would they even bother call them stupid?

would they even bother to say something like....


if they weren't passionate about their "beliefs" in science and reality??

believers argue out of ignorance with what they arrogantly "know" to be true - pride is an emotion, right? pride leads a person to take up the judgemental attitudes of "my way is better" or "my way is god's way"... you keep telling yourself that and you'll put your own ideas first without considering another person's point of view, so a person like this is too prideful and arrogant to accept that they could be wrong....

so some people, when they see something they don't understand or like, they make a judgement based on what their ego tells them about it to try and explain it, which is usually something weak and superfluous...

xtian: "oh god told me that that science of yours is evil!"

me: " uhmmm .... 'god' told you? okay ... uhmm no, not likely! at a rough guess I would say that your ego told you that science is evil because YOU don't understand it. And you don't understand it because you are too lazy to put in the effort to learn about science, or you are too embarrassed to ask about scientific matters now because you used to be one of the ones in class that didn't pay attention or made sure that everyone couldn't learn either, aren't you? so *you* need a really big 'reason' to out-trump the fact that in your ignorance you still don't know anything about science, and so you get this panicked sort of feeling each time you encounter something you just don't understand, and it's like 'oh what the fuck is that, it messes with my mind!! that's scary!! god save me god god pray pray pray god god' ... so you play the 'god card'... 'ah! it's evil! god said it was evil, all is good now!'.... i mean, if the supreme being of the universe says it's evil and you should not worry about it, then who are you to argue, right, at a guess?"

xtian: "ohhhh *you* are evil!"

me: *facepalm* "Hail Satan!"

people get this one idea about god, and their ego just *runs* and goes ballistic with it, because your ego loves this idea of god, it's *awesome*, the ego loves that this god is going to give it everlasting life and that it knows everything, so you don't need to worry about stuff that you don't know, "phooey to you Mr Scientist", and all you have to do is .... believe in it .... and in that moment, your ego, becomes god.... and it will always forgive you as well, no matter how much of a cunt you are to everyone... in fact, it will forgive you especially if you are a cunt


Some believers are addicted, like people are addicted to drugs or chocolate or whatever. Yeah, one more bite of chocolate isn't going to hurt, now is it?

but the god addiction is worse, the ego thinks that it *is* god and it's also feeding that delusion as well, that's how people get to crazy crazy ideas, they just didn't go to the level of thinking in one hit, they get to crazy crazy in degrees.

think of this god-feedback-loop in the same way it would be if you somehow said hello to someone in a magic mirror everyday and not even realise that the person you were talking to, was actually you, and everyday, you would leave this encounter with yourself always feeling, at least, a little bit better about yourself, because that person you see everyday knows exactly what to say to you to give you the pick-me-up that you need.

so to keep the mirror analogy going, the "ego-god" is a reflection of you and everything that *you* want ...

same thing happens to fanatic believers when confronted with the "truth" about god, because what if it turns out that that initial idea, or even one of the subsequent ideas that formed the basis of somebody's belief in god, what if those ideas turn out to be *wrong*? your ego went on this great big rant for decades - poor thing!

so when confronted with this contradiction that it just can't accept after *everything* it went through, after all that time it spent believing in this creature called god, that it would get to this point and *somebody* would then have the audacity to deem the god-ego to be *wrong*.. because if "god" turned out to be wrong, it would call into question *every* other thing in their lives as potentially being wrong as well...

and people can't stand that - it's why they think their lives will collapse without god - being held to ransom by your own mind must be pretty scary.

it's happened to me, kind of, in that I just couldn't accept Einstein's theory of relativity, and I still don't "get" it completely, I thought "well, if it's true, then surely it can be measured?" ... and it has ... Atomic clocks have been used on jet planes and satellites to verify Einstein's theory of relativity, the basic need to account for relativity is because time up in space is moving faster than it is here on earth. Yes - it *is*.

"Relativity is not just some abstract mathematical theory: understanding it is absolutely essential for our global navigation system to work properly!"

good thing my ego wasn't so big that it called itself *god* on the matter of relativity, because then it might say - "no fucking way I was wrong, because *god* also don't either believe in no relativity as well, so how can *I* be wrong, right?"

yes non-believers can be judgemental too, but non-believers don't follow any holy scripture that says they should refrain from being judgemental.

So as a non-believer, when *I* say somebody is wrong, *I* do it in the name of *my* ego, I don't invoke the name of god, my ego is not pretending to be so important that it's in league with or *is* the creator of the frikking universe!

idolatrous, holier-than-thou believers use god to prop up their egos, and being with god gives them a free pass to being absolutely right about the things that their god just happens to believe in as well.

how else can a believer know the will of god? why else would god have made the entire universe just for us? with just the exact right conditions to feed, clothe, heat and water us? with just the right tint of blue in the sky? with just the right shade of grey for the clouds? how else if not for your ego being so up-itself that it would be so conceited as to think that it was *that* special???

so given that their egos are so big, there is no *point* in arguing with extreme believers about my emotional viewpoint on matters of god, science, or history, which is often along the lines of...

oh you stupid fucking dumbarse lying cunt SPACE IS NOT AN OCEAN - you were one of those fucking idiots who didn't fucking pay attention in school, weren't you? you obviously live in a dumb arse part of the world as well - because no-one could possibly fucking say what you just fucking did and think they could get away with it unless you knew that everyone within 50 miles of you believed the same fucking dumbarse thing because no-one would be in their right minds to say such a thing for fear of dropping dead due to pure embarrassment of believing such utter crap!

but in reality, i am much more inclined to 'say' something far more polite...


actually, that's often the last thing those people will see me post, as I block them soon after.... I dwell too much on how people arrive at their dumbarseness - it's not healthy - oh and I just can only escalate from there so rather than have to be rude to them..... well, i'm sure someone told you about the rule of not having anything nice to say, then don't say it, right?

i block people that assume they have something to be offended about when it comes to their precious god. ie. often I will accidentally do some sort of Jedi mind trick on the weak minded (this happens often when you speak fluent Sarcasm) and say something that they over extend into their own personal point of view. eg. a simulated conversation, not too far removed from reality, mind you, as I've had this sort of actual conversation with christians more often than I care to remember:

XTIAN: "'The Force' isn't real"

ME: "LOL at the blasphemy!!!! the bible is a crock of shit too!"

XTIAN: "WHAT! how dare you say god doesn't exist! just who is committing blasphemy?"

ME: "snap! this shit again! No, I didn't say that god does *not* exist, I said the bible is a crock of shit, ie. it's not real!"

XTIAN: "but that would imply that you mean god does not exist"

ME: "no! it does not! just because the bible is a crock of shit, it does not mean that your precious god doesn't exist, I am saying that if your god does exist, that your bible probably has it wrong, at least in some small way such that it is a waste of time to take any of it literally because there is no way to know what is literally accurate or not so you should just ignore the details about the bible and you should just follow the underlying message of peaceful relations with everyone, I mean that was the point of the bible, right?"

XTIAN: "oooohhh i get it, why didn't you just say that in the first place?"

ME: "arrrg! why don't you stop making assumptions, you know, like your precious Jesus said not to do when he said 'judge not lest thee be judged' and maybe you could go buy yourself a sense of humour as well?"

XTIAN: "I'm not making assumptions, Jesus is *real*"

ME: "*facepalms*"

XTIAN: "what's a facepalm?"

ME: *blocks*

so *yeah* god is real, it's your real fucking ego!!....

and here's the "proof", because if god wasn't in the ego, then there would be no need to go on a rant about god not existing when "provoked" by the slightest inference that god doesn't exist, and if I didn't have an ego I wouldn't be here complaining that people were calling their own frikking egos, "god"!! a true believer in god, would just accept that there *is* a god, and set about at least trying to do what the basic message of the religion for that god taught, and in the case of christianity, the underlying message is "be frikking nice!"

given that believers can't even discuss their religion civilly, there is no *point* in arguing the non-believers' emotional point of view. in essence, the non-believer needs to combine their logic and wisdom, with their own compassion in being able to put themselves into the mindset of what-ever religion the believer they are arguing with, actually teaches.

in other words: it's easy to tell someone that they *are* stupid pricks for believing, but there is no point unless you can speak to them on their own level, about their own emotional needs for believing in the first place.

well there is one point, some people actually do need to be treated like children, at least sometimes:

XTIAN: "i heard that the stars twinkle because the earth's magnetic field is unstable and failing!"

ME: "no no no, that's just not true, the stars don't twinkle because of that! where the frak did you get that stupid idea?" ..

XTIAN: "oh, my uhmm, my dad said it" ..

ME: "well, you tell your dad, that the stars twinkle because of the heat in the atmosphere, it's the same sort of thing that happens when you see the heat coming off the road or the stove, the heated air distorts the light coming from further away because all the molecules are buzzing around so much from the heat, that the air becomes some sort of fuzzy lens that is constantly moving around because of the wind, and that's why the stars twinkle, the air is flying around up there, with pockets of warmer or colder air, and as it passes through those pockets of different temperature air, it makes the light bounce off into different directions, randomly." ...

XTIAN: "oh my dad said not to listen to people like you with your science and logic, he said you were agents of Satan, and that it was god's will that the magnetic field fail because we're all sinners!" ..

ME: *facepalms* ... "whatever! and 'yes' I will have fries with that, that's why I asked for the 'value meal', and 'no' I didn't ask for a coke, I wanted a water, which is why i said 'with a water'... maybe if you had paid attention in school you'd be able to concentrate for the ten seconds it *should* have taken for me to place my order?"

XTIAN: "oh, I am still at school!"

ME: *grrrrr*

the true trick to the religious war, is to argue from the emotional standpoint of the religious person, because you won't change somebody's mind with your little facts and empirical evidence..


no, the tides go in and out because of the moon
no, the moon stays in orbit because of earth
no, the earth stays in orbit because of the sun
no, the sun stays in orbit of the galaxy because of the combined mass of many stars and a super massive black-hole at the centre of the milky way
no, you don't "got me", the milky way is gravitationally bound to other galaxies in the immediate region of galactic space
no, the local group of galaxies is bound gravitationally to the Virgo galactic super cluster
no, the Virgo group is attracted to an area of space called the "Great Attractor"
no, you don't "got me now", it just means that we don't know yet.

if anything, what should be done when challenged by someone who is just going to contradict everything you say is, "I'm not playing this game of yours, you've obviously got the internet, type 'tides moon earth gravity' into the search bar of your browser, and go figure it out yourself, come back with specific questions, if you must"...

so I say, *let* them have their precious god, but argue with them on *their* emotional level, argue knowing full well that this god of theirs, is their ego...

tell them *how* they have their religion wrong, instead of merely saying *that* they have their religion wrong.

for instance:

I would say to Bill O'Reilly, "Bill, what the frak does the tides coming and going have to do with actually following Jesus' teachings of 'love thy neighbour'?"

to people going on about how the frikking year is proof of Jesus I would say "ahem, guys, what does the year have to do with actually following Jesus' teachings of 'love thy neighbour'?

to people who say "Praise Jesus" all the time; "what does just saying 'Praise Jesus' have to do with actually following Jesus' teachings of 'love thy neighbour'?"

one simple question:

what does *any* of what some christian is rambling on about, have to do with actually following Jesus' teachings of 'love thy neighbour'?

well? could it be "nothing"? well, could you stop committing idolatry then? because if there really is a Jesus, you're just pissing him the-fuck off!

this is my wager;

it's better to not follow any religion whatsoever, than it is to choose one of the many, and make the wrong decision, or even make the right decision but then just not bother to actually follow that religion correctly...


Jesus was that dude who was so bereft of selfishness, that he didn't even try to save himself from being murdered on the cross... which was the whole point of the dying on the cross metaphor, and yet, ironically, the most ego-less character of all time, Jesus Christ, is the same guy that a large proportion of Western society is selfishly just saying that they believe in

Jesus was saying; "here I am, I died on the cross, not for your sins, but as an example of selflessness, in order to give you an example of the sort of behaviour you should aspire to, to stop you from committing sin in the first place"

and who is to say, that just because Jesus forgives you, that you have escaped your punishment, anyway? what sort of Jesus would forgive you, and let you get away with all the bullshit you've done in your life, other than the Jesus-god-ego creature you worship?

god is in the ego....

mostly written 29th Jan 2011, mostly... you know, christians should probably stop telling me to read their bible....

Sunday, 16 October 2011

did aliens send us religion to slow us down? (religiorant)

if there really were an advanced alien civilisation out there in the galaxy, we probably wouldn't know they were there...

think about this:

1000 years ago, we sent messages via physical means, for instance, couriers, ships, horses, smoke signals, lights, carrier pigeon and then about 200 years ago we had discovered the telegraph

and today we have planes, radio, telephones, satellites and the internet....

Point being is that we keep finding better and faster ways of communication, ideas that we totally would not have thought possible centuries before they were finally invented, so any advanced civilisation that is capable of building space ships is also likely to have an even more advanced form of communications than the basic radio signals that we send for long distance communications.

At our current level of technology, it's likely we would not even be able to detect any advanced form of space-alien communications and even if we did, it's likely that we are dismissing it as some sort of background "noise" from space because the signal is too faint to detect so it gets lost in the cacophony of signals coming from space.

an example of an advanced form of communications an advanced alien civilisation might be something like "sub space" communications like in Star Trek, where near instant communication is available over light years. If there were such a thing as sub-space communications right at this moment, we would have no idea that it was being used.

Imagine if one day we discovered sub-space communications and all of a sudden we are bombarded with 50 million simultaneous incoming message channels from thousands of alien worlds from all over the galaxy

So maybe these advanced aliens that have been around for a million years or so have been stopping by every now and then, maybe they stopped off once or twice a couple of millennium ago, and gave us a thing called "religion" by pretending to be gods, and maybe they actually had the best of intentions, and religion was given as a test, a test that we failed miserably.

Maybe these advanced aliens have been through galactic wars between different species before, and "The Galactic Council" has declared that all sentient species with the likelihood of developing space travel be given a test of their ability to "get along" with everyone?

Insert multiple religions all over the planet, to either teach us good moral behaviour, or have us turn on each other until we learn how to "get along" with each other.

Seriously, if not for the dark ages we may very well have become a space-faring planet by now where travel all over the solar system is a common place event. imagine if the (non-christian) Roman Empire didn't fall?

Instead of us having the dark ages, the bloody Romans discover space travel by about the 1200s, colonise the solar system, move Venus into a 'cooler' orbit and turn it into a greenhouse planet to grow food for the solar system, and then we get our butts out to the galaxy at large by about 2000 and start finding other species to conquer or at least other habitable planets to ruin, imagine the Roman Empire, Mongolian, or some Islamic caliphate expanding for light years? *sigh*

so aliens, stopping by every so often, saw how disagreeable we were with our own species, as well as wiping out other species here on earth, and thought that it was a good idea to send us religion to teach us to behave, or slow us down.

maybe we've been so bad that it's Galactic Law that we must grow up slowly? and maybe there's even a "no fly zone" of four light-years around our sun? So maybe it's best that we get this angry streak out of our systems before we get out into outer-space and piss all over it as well?

mostly written 2011-Feb-05 ... mostly ...

rattling the faith ... (religiorant)

i have often seemed to have rattled the faith of the religious, with mere words, even *accidentally* at times, without even trying

and I've even seen "christians" getting upset and going on rants at and over atheists for no apparent reason other than because atheists EXIST!

but "why is that a problem?", you say?

well, it would be fine if these ranting believers were piping up in response to some *specific* thing that they have a problem with ....

but the very fact that atheists exist?

how does one even argue with such a vague point of view when these believers have their faith rattled even before you speak to them? ie. by doing nothing whatsoever, non-believers are able to rattle the faith of the "faithful" ...

did you read that?

doing *NOTHING*AT*ALL* is all it takes to upset some people and their religion.

this is a problem, these people choose to willingly be upset over *nothing* ...

that's like a little child in the middle of a temper tantrum saying

"look what you made me do!"

I didn't make you do anything, you still *chose* to react in anger. That was a choice and it was *your* choice.

It was *your* choice to chuck a spaz, I didn't hold a gun to your head and *make* you have a temper tantrum over your religion and/or your god - you did that all by *yourself* !

so given that doing nothing can upset some of the religious fruit cakes, i try to avoid using any words in every day language that may upset and rattle those stupid fucking religious morons (and just because people are religious it doesn't instantly make them morons, however, there are religious people who are morons, and that is who i speak about here)

which is ironic - because no matter what the fuck i say about someone's religion or their faith, even if I'm being deliberately antagonistic, if they feel the need to deem me "wrong" by getting upset in any way shape or form, then they are showing that they are lacking "faith"..

"I find your lack of faith disturbing!"
--Darth Vader

sure I can be offensive and people have the right to be offended at my words, but at least in terms of christianity, they should prove that they truly are *christian* by walking away, or more correctly, they should invite me to think of something more offensive than what I've just said and make me hang myself upon my own anger.. "turn the other cheek" and such, right? ...

and Muslims are just as bad, they claim to have a religion of peace, so if I were to anger a Muslim, then they can prove that their religion is truly a religion of peace by walking away no matter what the fuck I say about this piss poor religion of theirs that they think is "peaceful" ...

but is that what they do? The fucking riots in the streets of Pakistan in protest of DRAWINGS would seem to indicate that Muslims want anything but peaceful relations with the rest of the world.

Seriously Islam needs to take a chill pill over the whole pictures of Muhammad thing, as they risk bringing the issue to more people's attention with their whinging about cartoons, which will in turn, show more people just how stupid Islam is - thus leading to more incidents where they will get mocked!

The religious should not wonder why they should keep their religion to themselves.

Islam itself may be peaceful and it very well may just teach peaceful notions in amongst all those verses about smiting at the neck of your enemies (ie. beheadings) and whatever else it says - but there are Muslims that don't embrace the notion of peace who *DO* enact violence in the name of their religious fantasy - but the other Muslims, ie. the majority, who actually are peaceful do nothing about their extremists and yet they get upset and say "WE'RE NOT ALL TERRORISTS!" - oh is that fucking right? then why doesn't the majority fucking do something about those extremists?

a lack of objection to the actions of the extremist members of your religion, CONDONES their behaviour..

Like if somebody does something bad in the name of Jesus and every other christian ignores that, that says to me that the christian majority don't give a rats arse that that someone has done something bad in the name of Jesus BECAUSE THEY FUCKING AGREE WITH THEIR MOTIVES, because if you *disagreed*, would you not say something?

got that?

if you don't do anything about the problem children in your group, expect other groups to say that your group of people are fucked up, and that is *not* because of this one person and the bad shit they did, but because the rest of you in that group don't seem to give a fuck about the bad shit they did.

it's an extreme case of the "buddy system" - he's my buddy - so I don't dob on him, just in case he turns on me and kills me dead while I have my back turned to him, so I'm better off just shutting the fucking hell up, lest I get myself and my whole family killed.. which is exactly what happens in Islam is this day and age and is what happened centuries ago in christianity . How many stories have we heard of someone in an Islamic country standing up to the way their country is being influenced by religion, only to see that they get thrown behind bars, tortured, or even killed for their troubles?

If you don't believe that shit like this happens today, then please, do us a favour and shove your head back up your arse where you have been keeping it for all that time you had it up there such that you didn't notice the world around you.


who am I when it comes to a religion??

I'm a nobody in terms of religious faith, I don't know of gods other than what I've read from little religio-story books and anecdotes - therefore, I don't *know* religious faith - I don't know other people's feelings about their faith - I have no idea!! so how can I, someone who knows nothing about a person's faith, rattle that faith??

if you know your enemy's strategy you can often wear him down with little effort - this is kind of like that, except here you do not even know that you even had an enemy and somehow you can wear down that guy without even knowing that you are wearing him down.

so how the hell can I rattle someone's "faith", if they truly have faith???

Someone walks up to you in the street and says your mother is a whore, unless that person *KNOWS* your mother personally, then how would they even know? they are just making up bullshit to try to rile you up!! They are trying to make you bite! This is also called "fishing" or more accurately - "shit stirring"

in the same way, only the people who know how to push your buttons, know how to get you the most upset.

and yet, there are childish religious morons that I can still send flying into flurries of fury, how is that possible if I don't even know your faith? that would be like some astrophysicist throwing a temper tantrum after being told that the moon was made of cheese.. NO IT'S NOT MAD OF CHESE YOU FUCKING PEACVE OF SHUITE YTOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT SIECNCE U JUST HSUT THE FUCK UOP!!!

If an astrophysicist got upset at somebody's claim that the moon was made of cheese, would you not have to wonder if that person was only merely saying that they were an astrophysicist??

Perhaps they used to think it was made of cheese as a child, and now they get upset at themselves in retrospect when other people propose the "moon == cheese" idea?

eg. i've sometimes said "there is no god" and people have bounced off the walls in anger over that, and yet, when people say "there is a god", I'm of the opinion that they may be right, they are probably not, but it doesn't bother me....

if you want to believe in a fantasy to make yourself feel better, then go for it, I'm not stopping you, and I couldn't even if I wanted to, OH WAIT! IT SEEMS THAT "YES" I CAN!

If you can get upset at anything I say about your precious faith/god, then you are admitting that you don't really have faith. And if there *really* was a god, I'd be cast into the pits of hell at god's discretion, not at the whims and idle threats of some bitchy whiny arse pants fucktard religious moron.


when people get upset, could it be that the truth hurts? and that people don't really believe in what they say they believe in? you don't really believe in something if you need to get upset about someone refuting that thing, right?

getting upset means that your position is weak, or that you are lacking the ability to defend it, and if you can't defend your position, it indicates your uncertainty about your position.

so given those circumstances above, who is the person with more actual faith (not religiously, but in general terms) in what they believe in?

is it the person who says "DONT YHOU SAY SHI5T ABOIT MY GOD YIOU FILTHY GODF HATER YOUR GOING TO EHLLLLLL SCUM BSAGH!!!" or is it the person who says "you are entitled to believe what you want, because as long as you not are hurting anybody, I don't give a fucking rat's arse what you believe!!!"

well? who has the better position in passing along their thoughts? the person shouting at you, who can't even type straight, or is it the person calmly having a conversation with you, regardless of them and their fucking vulgar profanity??

in fact, if you feel the need to make any insults at me when I don't agree with your faith, then you are embarrassing yourself because you should take insults against your faith (or lack thereof, for that matter) in your stride, but clearly, the majority of people purporting to be believers can not do this... which in turn says to me that they don't really believe in an actual god, but rather, their god is merely their ego.

in fact, when a believer insults me, they are in fact insulting themselves more than they insult me, but I doubt these "believers" would realise though... blinders are rather - blinding - especially when you, yourself, have put them into place with super-glue with some catch-all solution called "god".

If you can have your faith rattled *that* easily, then you should probably keep it to yourself, because announcing that you have faith, especially when nobody was talking about faith to begin with, merely says to me that you don't have faith.

and in some countries you will get mocked for confessing you have faith.. because you've just said something that isn't dissimilar to an adult saying "I believe in SANTA CLAUS!" .. eg. the last time someone confessed to having "faith" around me, I didn't get the chance to say anything, as somebody else beat me to it, and he wasn't even as half as nice as I was going to be about it.

in much the same way, a wise person would never say that they are wise, why would they need to? they don't need to brag that they are wise, as their actions and words indicate their wisdom, so anybody trying to tell you that they *are* wise, should be considered anything but wise, especially if you don't know them!

point being, is that if I can rattle the faith of the faithful, then that means that what I am saying is somehow more important than what their god has allegedly taught them, or what I've said was beyond their level of understanding of their god, all of which proves that god is completely in the mind of the believer, which clearly makes "faith" and god easily subjected to a person's emotions, because if a person was truly a believer in god, they would laugh off anything I have to say about their "faith", at the worst, they should be merely puzzled by my lack of faith in much the same way that I am often dumbfounded by how fucking stupid people of "faith" can be at times.


see, when I have a temper tantrum, there is a specific thing I'm tantruming about, when the religious have a fucking SPAT - they would never be able to put their finger on what is actually bothering them, seeing how god is in their brain, and sticking their fingers in their brain, would probably cause (more) damage...

mostly written 2010-09-09, mostly ...

Saturday, 15 October 2011

there is no god? (religiorant)

this was originally supposed to be a comment on Wiggy's blog, but it was just too long and i like to religiorant.... oh yeah, and I'm sick of jerk-offs getting their butts hurt when I "Offend" them - boo fucking hoo - don't read if you don't have a spine (as is the case with all my blogs) ... this blog is very disjointed and excessively long and probably has grammar and spelling problems and all of the topics are probably covered in another blog ... i probably need to make that a standard disclaimer for all my blogs from now on i think

mostly written 23rd-26th August 2010, mostly...


nobody knows if there is a god, nobody can even define it, so how can we know if god exists or not, if we can't even come together on its definition?

so, given the lack of a coherent idea between people about the concept of "god", then isn't god inherently going to be an entirely illogical concept to begin with?

nobody *knows* shit about god, as knowledge is something that can be demonstrated, eg. I know sun shines because I can see it in the sky - but when it comes to god, all we have are *feelings* about it and i find it unlikely that any two people could feel exactly the same way about god.

so when two people can't agree on god, the most prudent thing they need to do, is make sure that they are both talking about the same thing, by defining the parameters of this "god" they are discussing... eg. the christian god, Norse gods, the universe (as in pantheism), Hindu gods, your personal god la la la la

because if you don't define which god or gods you are talking about, then you're probably not going to be talking about the same thing.


but defining god is a problem, as those that have tried to define god, have been known to fail quite miserably at the task, look at the Abrahamic religions and their "loving" god and the people who follow those religions, the plethora of different beliefs that have spawned from what is supposedly the same god, is atrociously high in number, pathetic even..

The religious, are supposed to all be on the same page with their beliefs, however they are clearly not as is often demonstrated by their internal disputes as well as their interactions with other religions.

I often have to laugh at christians and muslims when they say that their religion is peaceful, when their own religions have split into factions that fight against each other!

For example: Muslims have the Sunni and Shia "disagreement", that split happened a few decades after Muhammad died and they have been killing each other since!

These actions give me proof that whatever their religion says and whatever muslims say about their religion, it must be bullshit, because the end result saw muslims killing each other over some disagreement - that is not peaceful so how can we be expected to believe these claims that islam is a peaceful religion when the actions of their militant few, say otherwise?

oh, I hear you, it's only the terrorists that aren't peaceful? that is irrelevant - get this through your head - if the peaceful muslims don't do anything about their violent extremists then I don't give a flying fuck if it's only the extremists that are giving these supposedly peaceful religions a bad name because, the peaceful majority are *irrelevant* to the whole situation if they do nothing about their extremists.

In actual terms, extremists would seem to outnumber the amount of people who take action against extremists, the apathetic masses that take no action whatsoever are not involved - other to vent their anger at being lumped in with the extremists they do nothing about.

the same thing has happened with catholics and protestants and all the other christians, for that matter..

Jesus taught that christians are to love everyone, the second highest commandment in all of christianity is "love thy neighbour" and shit man, if the *christian*church* itself can't even do that much *themselves* and keep their own church from splitting up violently, then there is no way i'd pick up their religion as I try to *NOT* take deliberately hypocritical things seriously....

tens of millions of people died over the split between catholics and protestants and 500 years ago, that was a fair chunk of all the people that were alive at the time in the entire world.... so how is all that blood shed, "loving thy neighbour"?


for me, I never really believed in anybody's preconceived idea of god, I made up my own stupid idea of it, so my idea of god got diluted over the years and now, I make up something new about god nearly everyday....

i do not have one static definition of god, and the reason I can change my mind all the time, is that I just don't know what to think about god - there could be a god - there might not be a god - i think it's *FUN* to dream up the possibilities of god, so when people get upset and take their beliefs too seriously, well, it's not that much fun any more, because to demand that what you believe about god be accepted by everyone else, well, that's just embarrassingly pathetic, as that is no different to demanding that I believe in Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, Peter Pan, big foot, that Star Trek the original series was better, that Greedo fired first... blah lbah blah

if you make an incredible claim, you *need* to back up that claim, *incredibly*!..

oh and "just have faith" will not slide very far in my world either. "Just have faith" is no different to telling me to "Just get fucked" because just telling me to believe, well, that's rude, no matter how *you* want to spin it - it's just plain rude, it says that your opinion is better than mine, regardless of my opinion. "just have faith" is saying that whatever my opinion is, yours is better than mine... fuck you! You don't even know me, so you can "just get fucked" if you think i should "just have faith" or that I should "just believe"... rude much?


god existing *logically* is impossible. yes, a logical god is complete bullshit, no SHIT Sherlock!

so why even use logic to "debunk" the illogical? *how* can the illogical even have logic applied to it in the first place?

god is everywhere at once? infinitely powerful?? has "lived" for all eternity?? none of that makes sense because it's ILLOGICAL!

so god is already illogical, but don't let me stop you wracking your brains over just how illogical god is, because therein lies the *FUN* of god - what if god did this - what if god did that...

but to think that a fancy bit of logic categorically proves that god does not exist (or *does* exist for that matter), well good on you for being soooo "clever", but you might as well try to prove that love doesn't exist, because people believe in god because of *feelings* - logic won't help you as much as you would like to think that it might when feelings are involved, as logical concepts tend to go right over a lot of people's heads *anyway*, many people have no idea how to understand your logical points of view, so your extreme cleverness, is fucking pointless and wasted.

you'd have just as much luck teaching monkeys about quantum physics, so getting upset over people not agreeing with your "logical" take on god, the most illogical thing of all, that is illogical in itself as well, isn't it?

you fucking embarrass yourself by demanding that god doesn't exist. because to make such a claim, is to claim that you are god yourself, because only god would know if god categorically existed or did not exist, right?

getting upset is exactly what a spoilt child with a tendency to temper tantrum would do.. like a child getting pissed off that their ice-cream keeps melting while they are standing in the sun on a hot day, but not realising even for a second, that it's the heat that is causing the ice cream to melt.... stand in the fucking shade and eat your ice-cream cone you dumb little shit!!!


imagine a child, after thinking that Santa Claus was real for the first few years of life, but then figures out that Santa, is really mum and dad.

But then imagine that child, after he'd finally accepted that Santa Claus was just the parents, imagine if some little kid told him that Santa Claus was *real*, he would go into flying fits of rage telling everyone that "NO !!! YOUR DUMBASH- THERS NOT AS SANTA CLAUIS!" ..

that's what "angry" atheists are like, but jerks are jerks no matter what they believe, and it's about time people started to realise that it's "extremists" in general that are the problem, regardless of beliefs. (it's just that religious jerks are in greater abundance)

But why would anyone get upset that there is no Santa Claus?

could it be, that they really *wanted* Santa Claus to be real, but now that they know the truth they are mega ticked off about it not being true, could they be mega ticked off about being deceived? pissed off about having their warm-and-fuzzy feelings taken away from them? can they get back some of the stolen innocence of their youth by telling as many other little kids that Santa is not real either, so as to share that pain around? they felt it, so why not spoil it for every other kid as well?

Imagine that kid in the school grounds at lunch time, telling the little kids that they are "fucking stupid" and that they are "retarded" for believing in Santa Claus?

That little shit doesn't give a reason for there being no Santa, he just says "Think about it!! it's the TRUTH! It's your PARENTS! SANTA CLAUS IS YOUR MUM AND DAD!!!" .. but there's all the big kids, "ahem, yeah, Santa Claus isn't real, so what? let the little kids have their innocence now that they believe, and besides, what difference does it make to you anyway?"

Santa Claus didn't make sense, but we still believed it, because we liked the *idea* of some magical or larger than life person making a big fucking deal out of little old us.

Maybe we should thank Coca Cola or whoever it was that commercialised Santa Claus? maybe a lot more little kids were able to "figure out" Santa a lot sooner because the shops make such a big deal out of Christmas shopping time for over a month every year!.. so kids see Santa more often in the shops, on the TV, and in advertising, etc, so they end up thinking about the Santa concept for longer.

so if children can figure out that Santa isn't real, what is stopping the next logical step of this awakening to bullshitism? .....

what makes people hang on to "god", because ya know, *god* makes even *less* sense than Santa Claus so uhmmm???? could it be that most kids are so fickle, they only care about getting the presents, they don't actually think about the concept of god, ooopps, I mean Santa, they just want the warm-and-fuzzy feeling of getting eternal life (aka presents), so that they feel loved.... and besides, ultimately, Santa Claus is far more real than god will ever be, it's a lot easier to debunk something that is real.

and since god belief is just our own personal warm and fuzzy feelings, born of our illogical and emotional need for security, using logic against something founded in our illogical emotions, is even more illogical!! And even more illogical than that - is to expect that your logic will work on the fundamentalist.


so god being real or not, is beside the point, you can not debunk the illogical with logic.. right?

for instance: is "love" real? how can you debunk love? you can't touch it - you can feel it - how do you prove that you love someone? you could do many things for them - but how does anything prove categorically that you love someone? You could put your life on the line for someone, perhaps nearly die, but who is to say you would not have done that same thing anyway, even for someone you did not even know, let alone love? Point being, is that "love" is a very broad term.

but love - in technical terms - is just a chemical response (that warm and fuzzy feeling you get) when you know that someone cares about you, or when you feel "warmly" for someone else, isn't it?

i mean, how else, can you describe love without referring to other feelings?

pfft!... oh I hear some of you, "god *is* love" ... *sigh*

well, that may be so, but god *is* just a feeling in the first place, so it's quite a nice sentiment to describe god as being "love", in fact, the bible even says that god is love! So "god is love" - fine by me, whatever makes you happy - *shrugs*shoulders*

that's what the whole god thing boils down to for a lot of people, isn't it? you can't rely on other people to be nice and to love you at all times - but you can rely on god to love you at all times no matter how crappy things have turned for you, so why not run with this notion that *god* loves you, that way it doesn't matter if you're a total creep and nobody can stand to have you around, you've got god/Jesus/allah/blah/blah/blah ....

being cared for and loved for all eternity is what we really want, because our lives are so small in this universe, some of us need to believe in god to make themselves feel connected with the universe and if you love the creator of the universe then you are set to live for all eternity, and the mere pittance of a price for this love, is that we tolerate a lot of bullshit from the people/deity giving us this love for half a dozen decades or so..

eg... oh he's my brother so i put up with his drinking...

she's my cousin, so i don't care that he's a prostitute..

oh they are my partner, so i let them beat me because I love them....

oh he's my best friend, so i don't care that he owes me thousands of dollars...

oh god is god, so god can flood the world and kill everyone as *often* as it wants! right??!?!

people far too often seem to want to put up with a lot of bullshit, just to gain a little bit of love, so it's no wonder that some people can turn to god, no matter how strongly their previous convictions were that they didn't believe.

and a significant proportion of christians would have us believe, that love from god, merely requires that you believe in Jesus.

that's it - that's all you need to do - just believe;.. don't even need to snap your fingers, nor click your heels, nor do the hokey pokey nor even turn about - all you need to do is believe.

so god can give you love - plenty of it - god is love on a stick - god can fill the gap in the emotional needs of a person, exactly the same way that little kids have imaginary friends.... and the more emotionally invested your are in your god, the less you can grow emotionally ....

yes, you read that right ... the children of god, indeed; thus making the non-believers, the adults ...


and let us not forget that in spite of all your logic, if god was real and you could somehow lay down a challenge to it, god could always cheat..

that's right...

if there is a god, what is stopping it from *cheating* to get around your "clever" logic anyway...

you and all your logic could not defeat a god.... you kid yourself if you think that your little bit of logic can defeat "god" !!! ...

your logic might be able to squash the christian or muslim god - that's easy - but that is *only* because those bunches of religiopeople didn't have a very good imagination (nor hindsight like we do today) when they were dreaming up their god creature.

so if you reckon god can't do some lame thing like draw a square circle, then think again...

what if god draws a circle, so you *see* a circle being drawn, but then god goes and changes your brain such that the definition of a *square* is now a circle? so now, even though you saw a circle drawn, even though you *know* it *was* a circle - you *now* see a square..

so now, the rest of us would now laugh at you for calling circles, "squares"...

which would be your personal punishment from god for your arrogance in challenging it with some trivial and mundane, but supposedly clever riddle to try and trick god, so now you get to spend the rest of your life going mad saying "I saw a *circle* drawn, how can it be a *square* now?", as you clutch the worn down and crumpled bit of drawing paper that god sketched your squircle on.... in your padded room.... with drool dribbling down your "bib"... from inside a jacket that someone else needs to release you from.

see? god could *Cheat* the arse right off you and you wouldn't even know, so even those things that apparently make sense now, could be thrown out the window, should this god so choose to do such a thing to your arse.

Point being is that nothing thus far has made sense about god nor did anything seem big enough about god to me, nor can I see how this god thing would *ever* make sense!

"god made the universe??!?! that's it? one piddly little universe? this god didn't really aspire to that big of a task, did it? i mean, it's *god*, right?"

the best nonsensical thing i can think of that would allow god to know everything, is if god was every *where* and every *when* at once, so it wouldn't need to *know* or *Remember* anything, it would be there to see it all happen in real time..... and god could also be everywhere at once, but be out-of-phase with us, but still able to see this universe..... or how about god sitting above our dimension??..

making sense of those statements and *how* god could do that is *fun*.


for me - the closest thing to making sense of god in our universe, is that the universe itself is god... but if that is so, then there's no point in having "faith" as your every moment of existence would be proof of god, it would be a fact, as you would be in constant contact with god all the time, so the whole higher "god being" becomes redundant - which is not why people believe in god anyway, is it?

people want warmth and fuzziness, and you can't get that from an inanimate object.

So god being the universe, doesn't appeal to people, because people *want* to believe in fantasy, basically, so they can feel warm and fuzzy about things that they can not control.

I quite clearly remember, as a very young child, *wanting* to believe in god because I didn't want the end of my life here on earth to be the end of things completely, I wanted to live forever, and *god* was the only option in that regard, at least to my very young mind. It was my fear of death that made me want to believe in god, but I never could though - god just didn't take ..

and quite frankly, the most fantastic thing that god could do, would be to create itself, and as far as I can understand, the universe *did* create itself, whatever the specifics were of how it actually happened.. ie. big bang, big rip in space, big crunch, string theory, parallel universe, colliding universes, quantum fluctuations, blah blah blah - whatever it was - the universe making itself is far more impressive and believable than anything anybody has ever said about their god, at least it is for me.

so when I say I don't believe in god, that means any and every god "being" that has ever been made up... but that *still* does not mean that a god "being" does not exist, there still could be some creature-being that fits the "god, creator of the universe" model, i doubt that there is a god though.. but what I don't doubt, is that every believer's idea of god is wrong, because no-one who believes in god, thinks big enough about their god!


the universe making itself requires one fantastic thing to consider, that being that the universe made itself out of nothing

god making the universe requires two fantastic things to consider, that there *is* a god, and that this god is so powerful, it *could* make a universe out of nothing

and who knows, our universe could have been accidentally created by a bunch of aliens in a science experiment that went wrong, and if that were true, those aliens would be "god, creators of the universe", we just don't know

you'd think that as we learn more about the universe, that the people claiming to be smart amongst us, would realise that the more we know, the more it becomes apparent about just how little we *do* know... eg. when we were kids we thought we knew everything, the older we got, the more we realise just how much we didn't know...

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.



i say let people have their god, because if they wanted it so bad and you made them realise the truth by hammering it home at them that they are stupid dumbarse morons, then don't expect those people to be happy about being forced to give away something that loved them... imagine if you took a puppy away from a child that had just gotten used to it??

so, have fun exploring that idea, "is there a god?", but ultimately, who gives a fuck? because it's what people *do* with that belief that can be a problem, do we really think religious people will stop being fuck-heads once they aren't religious? i don't think so!! they'll probably be *Worse*! i bet that's probably where all the atheists who act like fucktards come from..

in my experience, it's been the *ego* of a person and their extreme desire to believe (or not believe) that has been the problem, so if you destroy someone's beliefs, (or make them turn *to* god for that matter), their ego will just get bigger to compensate, and that will be a bigger problem, because if you've shown them to be wrong, the ego will need to become bigger in order to compensate for having to accept that it really does have a small penis and that everyone knows that it has a small penis, as well.

catching someone out in a lie, could see them tell a bigger lie to cover up that first lie.

but even being angry about god not existing, must feel good in some strange sort of way, because you get to *feel*. But feelings can always be taken to extremes, and god, regardless of it being "logically impossible", god is still *real* to those who believe because people's *feelings* are always going to be real...


is love "real"?

try and define love without referring to other feelings and all you'll get is that "love" is just the brain and body reacting to inputs from the senses...

but that notion of love isn't enough for some people, so their brains invent things to make them feel better, some people fantasise about the person they can't have, and some pretend that they rule the world, but some people just don't have the imagination to make up something elaborate to pump up their egos, so we have "warm-and-fuzzy" on a stick for you, and it's called "god", and all you need to do to feel warm-and-fuzzy.. is just *believe*, and you'll be *loved*, for all eternity...

Thursday, 13 October 2011

what you are babbling about is beside the point of your religion ... (religiorant)

if someone tries to argue for christianity against an atheist, the points of contention are usually nothing to do with christianity's central message of "love thy neighbour", the atheist should be using this to their advantage.

Instead of bamboozling believers by pointing out their logical fallacies or even how they have their "science" or "history" wrong, i ask them what does this thing that they are prattling on about have to do with being the good moral person that christianity supposedly teaches them to be? ..

i mean, the point of JC's teachings were to get people to be nice to each other at all times, right?

so what does "god making the universe", "just believing in Jesus", "saying prayers in public", "teaching intelligent design", "having 'in god we trust' on money", "going to church", "just reading the bible", "Jesus being a real person", "worrying about others going to heaven or hell", "abortions", "things being miracles", "god sending natural disasters as punishment", "gay marriage and homosexuals in general", "the bible being historically and/or scientifically accurate" and the myriad of other things that they prattle on about, what do all those things have to do with being the good person that christians often claim that being a christian makes them?

i find trying to relate to believers with science or logic to be a waste of time, it's much easier to relate to them on their level, don't get me wrong, knowing all the logical fallacies, languages, science and history is great, but trying to use them in an argument with believers (especially fundies), well, the whoosh factor on the believer is very high.

i mean, many don't even understand their own bible, so instead of wasting your time arguing your point from your point of view, it's a lot easier to just boil the whole argument down to the basic message of what christianity is about, and then arguing that christians should be showing tolerance, and acceptance for all their fellows humans, not bickering about "things"

i think this is the whole point of not committing idolatry, because when people worry too much about "things" to do with their religion, they end up not doing the actions that their religion has supposedly taught them to do, the very actions that supposedly make them a good person, but how can one claim to be a good person by doing nothing at all.

mostly written, 21st June 2011 .... mostly

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